About one in every 100 people in Gaza has been killed since the war between Israel and Hamas erupted on October 7, according to Palestinian statistics.
Forgive my ignorance, but I was always wondering why is it such a faux pau to show support to Palestine? From how I understand it, and that may be wrong, hence the question, the regular Palestinian people are occupied not only by Israel on the outside, but also by a terrorist group, HAMAS, at home. Which is basically a dictatorship, thats not afraid to openly use terror tactics. It’s a lose-lose situation, and the only thing you can do is hope youre not going to be one of the 1/100 that dies to a random strike.
When there are innocent people in a situation like that, the least we can do is show them some support.
Or do majority of people in Palestine actually support HAMAS and the war? I feel like in missing something, because the backslash to people who show an ounce of support for Palestine is massive, and I don’t really get why. I just want regular people who aren’t terrorists to live at peace :(
It’s manufactured. The US government unquestionably supports Israel and doesn’t wanna threaten their remote military base relationship, so they act to silence dissidents and quench protests, such as by trying to equate criticism of Israel’s government with antisemitism.
The problem is that it’s easy for the interested parties to equate it to antisemitism when intermixed with legitimate protest of Israel’s horrendous actions are actual antisemites coopting the conversation for their own purposes. Antisemitism is at it’s highest point in my entire lifetime. Things to note: Muslim Israelis (about 20% of their population) support Israel’s wartime actions at about the same rate as Jewish Israelis. Also, the language used in opposition to, or in support of, Israel in this conflict is different than in comparable one sided wars.
To be clear I want to reiterate that i think what Israel is doing is undeniably awful, but I think antisemitism, and anti Muslim sentiments, color how people interpret and talk about what is happening irrespective of government officials agendas. It’s absolutely part of the conversation whether we like it or not, and we have to navigate that as part of the larger conversation. This isn’t to say I don’t agree with you, it is bullshit to just paint everything as antisemitism.
We also shouldn’t pretend antisemitism is something that just happens. It’s actively promoted be various people for various agendas. For example, the government of Israel directly promotes antisemitism by committing atrocities while claiming to represent all Jews. Then they benefit from it by accusing anyone who opposes them of being antisemitic. Lives of Jewish people are just as expendable as Palestinians to someone like Netanyahu.
Or do majority of people in Palestine actually support HAMAS and the war?
Idk if the majority support Hamas specifically, but most Palestinians support resistance fighters, including Hamas, mostly because peaceful diplomacy with Israel has proven to be impossible.
Imagine 1% of your entire population was destroyed, people keep getting thrown out of homes, critical infrastructure is being destroyed. The world refuses to help and more often than not supports the people doing it to you.
I’m not there, so I couldn’t make an accurate statement. But I’m pretty sure I would be supporting the only people willing to do anything to stop them. The situation is just to dire.
Hamas has no power in the West Bank. Yet Israeli settlers are free to harass Palestinians and force them from their homes without consequence. If you think that’s a successful resolution to the conflict then you’re just willfully ignorant.
Meanwhile Hamas literally has in their original charter that the reason they exist was to form an Islamic state, resist PA secularism, and fight a two state solution, because their goal was genocide of Israel.
You have to go out of your way to ignore the mass amount of evidence that show the Israeli government endorses and supports the forced eviction of Palestinians in the West Bank.
They are against a two state solution, because it’s clear that can never work. The government of Israel has made that abundantly clear. The only real solution is a multiethnic state that is shared by Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
A religious ethnostate smack dab in the middle of an already existing nation who claims the same holy site that you do. What could possibly go wrong?
Hamas only exists because peaceful diplomacy with Israel was successful,
What peaceful diplomacy that lead to what results? The Oslo peace process (which Netanyahu stopped, by the way) only came after the first intifada and that shit was not peaceful.
Off course I’d rather live under, and support the dictator terrorists if my other option was genocidal aparthied nazis who force me to live deprived from all freedoms like a caged animal and regularly get bombed.
Yes Hamas is a bad terrorist dictatorship, but they did not kill 1 in every 100 Gazan, and they are only in power because they live in an open-air prison and regularly get bombed by an occupier controlling their food, water, and electricity and keeping them like caged animal.
Is it really a faux-pas? It probably depends on where you live and the people you live amongst. Where I live, it seems like only the extreme right (the successors of the people who helped the nazi’s genocide the Jews) + orthodox Jews support Israel unequivocally. Most others don’t see it as black and white and still consider Palestinians as humans who need hope and prospects, which they’re obviously not getting under Israeli occupation.
The majority of Palestinians in Palestine apparently support Hamas, but it’s likely that they would not be supporting Hamas if Israel had been acting in good faith and not been slowly (a lot faster now obviously, but they were going slowly for years) ethnically cleansing them from Palestine. It’s kinda a chicken and egg situation.
If Rabin had not been murdered by an extremist israeli in 1995, there might have been peace now in those lands, but instead Israel is now being lead by those extremists and they aren’t interested in peace or co-existence.
Coincidentally, there was a recent media event in my country event where a celebrity publicly displayed support for Palestinians.
She had this to say: “Raising a Palestinian flag does NOT mean that I support Hamas or that I hate Jews or that I am okay with innocent civilians - wherever they live - being killed. It means that I want all wars and all genocides to end.”
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2024/01/08/laura-tesoro-palestijnse-vlag/
Public reactions (in dutch): https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20240107_96484050
The minister Jan Jambon was in his youth a member of the local fascist party and is pretty vocal that he would like his current (more mainstream) party to collaborate in the future with that fascist party. So that he thinks that it is a “faux-pas” to express support for Palestinians, does not surprise me in the least.
I mean it is a fact that Hamas has a lot of support at home. They have won elections. This is because they build schools and deliver services at home, and take a defiant stand against Israel. However this all gets collapsed to “Palestinians support terrorism” by the disingenuous, trusting everyone in Gaza with terrorism. I’m NOT saying this is valid - just pointing out how it comes about.
“If you support Palestina, you are against Israel. And you can’t be against Israel, because then you are an anti-semite and that means you support Hitler.”
It’s mainly prevelant in western countries that historically support Israel. I do think a big part of that is some historical shame/feeling the Jewish people are owed something, given the genocide they had to endure in WW2. And of course a touch of geopolitics. And right wing politicians using Israel as a way to position themselves (I guess they hate Muslims more than Jews?).
It was at around 14% not too long ago. Although considering the situation, it has probably increased as a result of the relentless bombing campaigns, restrictions of food, water, electricity, and humanitarian aid
Forgive my ignorance, but I was always wondering why is it such a faux pau to show support to Palestine? From how I understand it, and that may be wrong, hence the question, the regular Palestinian people are occupied not only by Israel on the outside, but also by a terrorist group, HAMAS, at home. Which is basically a dictatorship, thats not afraid to openly use terror tactics. It’s a lose-lose situation, and the only thing you can do is hope youre not going to be one of the 1/100 that dies to a random strike.
When there are innocent people in a situation like that, the least we can do is show them some support.
Or do majority of people in Palestine actually support HAMAS and the war? I feel like in missing something, because the backslash to people who show an ounce of support for Palestine is massive, and I don’t really get why. I just want regular people who aren’t terrorists to live at peace :(
It’s manufactured. The US government unquestionably supports Israel and doesn’t wanna threaten their
remote military baserelationship, so they act to silence dissidents and quench protests, such as by trying to equate criticism of Israel’s government with antisemitism.The problem is that it’s easy for the interested parties to equate it to antisemitism when intermixed with legitimate protest of Israel’s horrendous actions are actual antisemites coopting the conversation for their own purposes. Antisemitism is at it’s highest point in my entire lifetime. Things to note: Muslim Israelis (about 20% of their population) support Israel’s wartime actions at about the same rate as Jewish Israelis. Also, the language used in opposition to, or in support of, Israel in this conflict is different than in comparable one sided wars.
To be clear I want to reiterate that i think what Israel is doing is undeniably awful, but I think antisemitism, and anti Muslim sentiments, color how people interpret and talk about what is happening irrespective of government officials agendas. It’s absolutely part of the conversation whether we like it or not, and we have to navigate that as part of the larger conversation. This isn’t to say I don’t agree with you, it is bullshit to just paint everything as antisemitism.
We also shouldn’t pretend antisemitism is something that just happens. It’s actively promoted be various people for various agendas. For example, the government of Israel directly promotes antisemitism by committing atrocities while claiming to represent all Jews. Then they benefit from it by accusing anyone who opposes them of being antisemitic. Lives of Jewish people are just as expendable as Palestinians to someone like Netanyahu.
Idk if the majority support Hamas specifically, but most Palestinians support resistance fighters, including Hamas, mostly because peaceful diplomacy with Israel has proven to be impossible.
Imagine 1% of your entire population was destroyed, people keep getting thrown out of homes, critical infrastructure is being destroyed. The world refuses to help and more often than not supports the people doing it to you.
I’m not there, so I couldn’t make an accurate statement. But I’m pretty sure I would be supporting the only people willing to do anything to stop them. The situation is just to dire.
And that’s after decades of brutal occupation and apartheid. This didn’t begin when Hamas attacked that concert.
Hamas only exists because peaceful diplomacy with Israel was successful, and leading to a secular Palestinian state and a two state solution.
Hamas has no power in the West Bank. Yet Israeli settlers are free to harass Palestinians and force them from their homes without consequence. If you think that’s a successful resolution to the conflict then you’re just willfully ignorant.
That’s simply not true
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-08/ty-article/.premium/second-west-bank-settler-suspected-of-attacking-palestinians-to-be-held-without-trial/0000018c-49af-d6bd-a1ad-7bff81930000
Meanwhile Hamas literally has in their original charter that the reason they exist was to form an Islamic state, resist PA secularism, and fight a two state solution, because their goal was genocide of Israel.
Willful ignorance, as I said.
For others reading this, UN reports on the issue are easily accessible.
https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/other-mass-displacement-while-eyes-are-gaza-settlers-advance-west-bank-herders-enhe
Even Haaretz reports on settler violence.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-01/ty-article/.premium/settler-violence-in-the-west-bank-isnt-an-oversight-its-a-long-standing-policy/00000189-0abc-d572-af9b-0afffdd50000
You have to go out of your way to ignore the mass amount of evidence that show the Israeli government endorses and supports the forced eviction of Palestinians in the West Bank.
People break laws all the time. That doesnt mean the gov supports them.
You may enjoy learning about the actual nuance here
https://israelpolicyforum.org/west-bank-settlements-explained/
The two tracks appear unrelated: The state takes over land openly, using official methods sanctioned by legal advisors and judges, while the settlers, who are also interested in taking over land to further their agenda, initiate violence against Palestinians for their own reasons. Yet in truth, there is only one track: Settler violence against Palestinians is part of the strategy employed by Israel’s apartheid regime, which seeks to take over more and more West Bank land. The state fully supports and assists these acts of violence, and its agents sometimes participate in them directly. As such, settler violence is a form of government policy, aided and abetted by official state authorities with their active participation. The state legitimizes this reality in two complementary ways:
A. Legalizing land takeover
B. Legitimizing physical violence against Palestinians
See link for more info on the two ways
More willful ignorance of what are very well documented human rights abuses.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-01-07/ty-article-opinion/arming-and-mobilizing-settlers-must-stop-to-end-violence-against-west-bank-palestinians/0000018c-e097-daf6-a5df-e7ff676c0000
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/settlers-killed-a-palestinian-teen-israeli-forces-didn-t-stop-it/ar-AA1mGJgV
https://theintercept.com/2021/07/15/israel-army-settlers-palestinians-killed/
You added that last part, you disingenuous tool.
They are against a two state solution, because it’s clear that can never work. The government of Israel has made that abundantly clear. The only real solution is a multiethnic state that is shared by Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
A religious ethnostate smack dab in the middle of an already existing nation who claims the same holy site that you do. What could possibly go wrong?
What peaceful diplomacy that lead to what results? The Oslo peace process (which Netanyahu stopped, by the way) only came after the first intifada and that shit was not peaceful.
Off course I’d rather live under, and support the dictator terrorists if my other option was genocidal aparthied nazis who force me to live deprived from all freedoms like a caged animal and regularly get bombed.
Yes Hamas is a bad terrorist dictatorship, but they did not kill 1 in every 100 Gazan, and they are only in power because they live in an open-air prison and regularly get bombed by an occupier controlling their food, water, and electricity and keeping them like caged animal.
Is it really a faux-pas? It probably depends on where you live and the people you live amongst. Where I live, it seems like only the extreme right (the successors of the people who helped the nazi’s genocide the Jews) + orthodox Jews support Israel unequivocally. Most others don’t see it as black and white and still consider Palestinians as humans who need hope and prospects, which they’re obviously not getting under Israeli occupation.
The majority of Palestinians in Palestine apparently support Hamas, but it’s likely that they would not be supporting Hamas if Israel had been acting in good faith and not been slowly (a lot faster now obviously, but they were going slowly for years) ethnically cleansing them from Palestine. It’s kinda a chicken and egg situation.
If Rabin had not been murdered by an extremist israeli in 1995, there might have been peace now in those lands, but instead Israel is now being lead by those extremists and they aren’t interested in peace or co-existence.
Coincidentally, there was a recent media event in my country event where a celebrity publicly displayed support for Palestinians.
She had this to say: “Raising a Palestinian flag does NOT mean that I support Hamas or that I hate Jews or that I am okay with innocent civilians - wherever they live - being killed. It means that I want all wars and all genocides to end.” https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2024/01/08/laura-tesoro-palestijnse-vlag/
Public reactions (in dutch): https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20240107_96484050 The minister Jan Jambon was in his youth a member of the local fascist party and is pretty vocal that he would like his current (more mainstream) party to collaborate in the future with that fascist party. So that he thinks that it is a “faux-pas” to express support for Palestinians, does not surprise me in the least.
Edited because of grammar.
I mean it is a fact that Hamas has a lot of support at home. They have won elections. This is because they build schools and deliver services at home, and take a defiant stand against Israel. However this all gets collapsed to “Palestinians support terrorism” by the disingenuous, trusting everyone in Gaza with terrorism. I’m NOT saying this is valid - just pointing out how it comes about.
I think the basic reasoning is some form of:
“If you support Palestina, you are against Israel. And you can’t be against Israel, because then you are an anti-semite and that means you support Hitler.”
It’s mainly prevelant in western countries that historically support Israel. I do think a big part of that is some historical shame/feeling the Jewish people are owed something, given the genocide they had to endure in WW2. And of course a touch of geopolitics. And right wing politicians using Israel as a way to position themselves (I guess they hate Muslims more than Jews?).
It was at around 14% not too long ago. Although considering the situation, it has probably increased as a result of the relentless bombing campaigns, restrictions of food, water, electricity, and humanitarian aid