Liquid assets go straight towards liabilities, real assets TEND to stay untouched, some physical assets are sold off, some aren’t, then after that little dance, the remainder of liabilities are discharged.
So yes. When you walk out of a bankruptcy, in general, your quality of life has changed very little, you are just starting over in terms of LIQUID assets.
However it was designed, it shouldn’t be allowed to be abused by rich fucks not giving up their millionaire lifestyle while continuing to rack up additional debt/judgements. You know these assholes are proponents of limiting what people can use welfare for (no steak or other “luxury” food styled arguments). Perhaps he should be limited to what a person on welfare is able to afford? You want to continue to pull in an income for “speeches” or whatever bullshit these grifters do for money? All but the bare minimum get frozen by the court until judgements are settled.
Exactly. You shouldn’t come out of bankruptcy homeless, but you should absolutely be stripped of all but your smallest house and all trusts in your name.
You understand that you could sentence Guliani, the world famous Mayor of New York during 9/11 to walk naked into the Antarctic tundra and he will be scooped up and pampered even harder for it.
By Maga. By Russia. By the fascist cops who justify their blue line culture by the legitimacy of post 9/11 “support the troops, thank the first responders” horse shit we showered them with for 20 years.
He should be in a cell.
Put them in cells.
However luxurious they can make that cell (less wifi), the only thing we can do with these fascists is to confine them to a cell and an orange jumpsuit.
I think you are falling into the social media trap that every comment has to be a back and forth, or a disagreement. When you describe the existing system, if someone disagrees with it, it’s not a disagreement with you. When you let that go and realize you don’t need to reply, it’s a weight lifted.
Not even that; IIRC your family can inherit your student loan debt if you die.
EDIT: According to others this is either not true, varies by state, or is a BS bluff the collectors play to see if your family will cough up money. YMMV, consult a financial expert.
I mean, it makes sense (to me at least) that spouses would inherit debt “that was their spouses”, with the possible exception of established prenuptial/last will and testament agreements creating a grey area in favor of the surviving spouse.
By default, a marriage is a merging of finances and households.
Without things like prenups and wills, a divorce is going to be a process of splitting all liabilities and assets 50/50. Similarly, without prenups and wills, the surviving spouse is going to inherit all of assets AND all liabilities (because technically they always held them in tandem with their spouse).
Now, if there was always a prenup, Hubby always had the money, Wifey was on a weekly/monthly allowance, and Hubby had a will where he left all the money to his son from another woman, leaving Wifey with nothing, Wifey didn’t get any assets, obviously she doesn’t inherit any debt.
Outside marriage, I think it should go like this:
Upon death, non-liquid assets get distributed. Timmy inherits the Pontiac GT, Harriet inherits all of the clothes, Wilfred gets all the furniture, Freddy gets the house. Any SECURED liability on the non-liquid assets stay attached. Dad had 3k left on the car loan for the Pontiac, Timmy can take over that car loan. If Freddy doesn’t want Dad’s house worth 300k dollars with 200k left on the mortgage, he has the option to liquidate the house, but the proceeds from that sale go into the liquid assets of the estate, not into Freddy’s pocket.
After non-liquid assets have been distributed/liquidated and BEFORE any liquid assets get distributed as inheritance, liability holders for the estate get to fight over what ever liquid assets are there. If the estate, after liquidation, has 400k in liquid assets, secured liability holders (the mortgage company) are going to get first stab at the money. The mortgage company recovers its 300k. Then any unsecured liability holders (Dad’s credit card he ran up to 60k dollars) get next stab at the liquid assets. They recover their 60k, that leaves 40k in liquid assets.
If the liability of the estate exceeds the liquid assets of the estate, no dollars are going to anyone in the family. Liability holders get all the money, and some of them probably get stiffed on the remainder.
In no event does unsecured liability get shuffled off on a successor of the deceased.
If there are no liquid assets left after liability has been resolved, Frankie doesn’t get the 10k Dad’s will said was bequeathed to him.
No idea how all of this actually plays out. Just my opinion on what should happen with an estate after death.
“Inheriting debt” as far as I am aware has never been legally validated.
At least in America, the courts are silent about it.
Like, your paychecks can’t be garnished in the name of inherited debt, but the courts also wont stop debt collectors from going after a person for inherited debt.
If the surviving family buckles under the harassment and pays, they buckle and pay. If they hold strong and wait for the collectors to move on, they don’t pay.
Bankruptcy doesn’t mean without money.
It means your liabilities exceed your assets.
Liquid assets go straight towards liabilities, real assets TEND to stay untouched, some physical assets are sold off, some aren’t, then after that little dance, the remainder of liabilities are discharged.
So yes. When you walk out of a bankruptcy, in general, your quality of life has changed very little, you are just starting over in terms of LIQUID assets.
That is what bankruptcy was designed to be.
However it was designed, it shouldn’t be allowed to be abused by rich fucks not giving up their millionaire lifestyle while continuing to rack up additional debt/judgements. You know these assholes are proponents of limiting what people can use welfare for (no steak or other “luxury” food styled arguments). Perhaps he should be limited to what a person on welfare is able to afford? You want to continue to pull in an income for “speeches” or whatever bullshit these grifters do for money? All but the bare minimum get frozen by the court until judgements are settled.
Exactly. You shouldn’t come out of bankruptcy homeless, but you should absolutely be stripped of all but your smallest house and all trusts in your name.
Your smallest house? How about sell everything and start renting an apartment like every working person?
You understand that you could sentence Guliani, the world famous Mayor of New York during 9/11 to walk naked into the Antarctic tundra and he will be scooped up and pampered even harder for it.
By Maga. By Russia. By the fascist cops who justify their blue line culture by the legitimacy of post 9/11 “support the troops, thank the first responders” horse shit we showered them with for 20 years.
He should be in a cell.
Put them in cells.
However luxurious they can make that cell (less wifi), the only thing we can do with these fascists is to confine them to a cell and an orange jumpsuit.
Everything else is futile.
I don’t disagree with you.
Just describing the existing system.
This is becoming a running thing for me on Kbin. Describing the system and facing people who are angry about the system.
I don’t endorse it. I think it is bullshit. But it is what it is until we figure out how to make them fix it.
I think you are falling into the social media trap that every comment has to be a back and forth, or a disagreement. When you describe the existing system, if someone disagrees with it, it’s not a disagreement with you. When you let that go and realize you don’t need to reply, it’s a weight lifted.
Keep informing and more people learn.
That’s actually really good advice.
Cheers.
Except for student loans of course. Nothing but the sweet sweet release of death can discharge that debt.
Not even that; IIRC your family can inherit your student loan debt if you die.
EDIT: According to others this is either not true, varies by state, or is a BS bluff the collectors play to see if your family will cough up money. YMMV, consult a financial expert.
It depends on the state I’ve recently learned. Some states allow inheriting debt, others don’t. Even some are in between allowing it for spouses only.
I mean, it makes sense (to me at least) that spouses would inherit debt “that was their spouses”, with the possible exception of established prenuptial/last will and testament agreements creating a grey area in favor of the surviving spouse.
By default, a marriage is a merging of finances and households.
Without things like prenups and wills, a divorce is going to be a process of splitting all liabilities and assets 50/50. Similarly, without prenups and wills, the surviving spouse is going to inherit all of assets AND all liabilities (because technically they always held them in tandem with their spouse).
Now, if there was always a prenup, Hubby always had the money, Wifey was on a weekly/monthly allowance, and Hubby had a will where he left all the money to his son from another woman, leaving Wifey with nothing, Wifey didn’t get any assets, obviously she doesn’t inherit any debt.
Outside marriage, I think it should go like this:
Upon death, non-liquid assets get distributed. Timmy inherits the Pontiac GT, Harriet inherits all of the clothes, Wilfred gets all the furniture, Freddy gets the house. Any SECURED liability on the non-liquid assets stay attached. Dad had 3k left on the car loan for the Pontiac, Timmy can take over that car loan. If Freddy doesn’t want Dad’s house worth 300k dollars with 200k left on the mortgage, he has the option to liquidate the house, but the proceeds from that sale go into the liquid assets of the estate, not into Freddy’s pocket.
After non-liquid assets have been distributed/liquidated and BEFORE any liquid assets get distributed as inheritance, liability holders for the estate get to fight over what ever liquid assets are there. If the estate, after liquidation, has 400k in liquid assets, secured liability holders (the mortgage company) are going to get first stab at the money. The mortgage company recovers its 300k. Then any unsecured liability holders (Dad’s credit card he ran up to 60k dollars) get next stab at the liquid assets. They recover their 60k, that leaves 40k in liquid assets.
If the liability of the estate exceeds the liquid assets of the estate, no dollars are going to anyone in the family. Liability holders get all the money, and some of them probably get stiffed on the remainder.
In no event does unsecured liability get shuffled off on a successor of the deceased.
If there are no liquid assets left after liability has been resolved, Frankie doesn’t get the 10k Dad’s will said was bequeathed to him.
No idea how all of this actually plays out. Just my opinion on what should happen with an estate after death.
“Inheriting debt” as far as I am aware has never been legally validated.
At least in America, the courts are silent about it.
Like, your paychecks can’t be garnished in the name of inherited debt, but the courts also wont stop debt collectors from going after a person for inherited debt.
If the surviving family buckles under the harassment and pays, they buckle and pay. If they hold strong and wait for the collectors to move on, they don’t pay.