They are likely to face imprisonment and abuse at the hands of North Korean authorities who consider them traitors, the group said, calling on the U.S. and others to condemn China’s actions.
    • De Lancre@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      11 months ago

      All 600 of them? That would be, like, one small attack. Look at loses there, it’s about up to ~1k soldiers each month.

        • Skua@kbin.social
          8·
          11 months ago

          If the American estimate of ~300,000 Russian casualties is accurate, it’s 1,000 killed or wounded every two days

          • De Lancre@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            11 months ago

            Hey russia, how you doing mate?

            If the American estimate of ~300,000 Russian casualties is accurate, it’s 1,000 killed or wounded every two days

            … Jesus fucking Christ.

            • Random_Character_A@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              11 months ago

              Cleansing the people? Thieves, rapists and murderers. Ethnic minorities that might rebel at some point…etc. In the era of social media it’s also easy to find potential political dissidents.

              For example. Stalin had a warm place in his hart for Ukranians. When Soviet Union attacked Finland in 1939. It was mostly Ukranians. Wave after wave towards Finnish machine gun emplacements. No real tactics. Those who retreated were shot.

              Win-win.

              • De Lancre@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                11 months ago

                Yea, as russian myself (that so in-love with current regime, that eventually fled into Serbia without any money), I can’t find another reason for that stupid war, if it not for clearing minorities and freeing some space in prisons. Welp, “you do you” as they say, I never ever will go back in that shithole called country for some reason.

  • Nacktmull@lemm.eeEnglish
    132·
    11 months ago

    Why are they seen as traitors for moving to a country that is one of North Koreas closest allies? They did not even leave the socialist sphere. Can someone with more insight please elaborate?

    • DefiantBidet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      262·
      11 months ago

      You think north Koreans have rights? The ability to move implies independence. You think people living in one of the poorest dictatorships in the world have independence and rights?

      Contribute to the state or die - that us all north Koreans have.

      Fleeing, not moving, fleeing is a crime. You’re abandoning the mother country and your relatives still living there will pay for your crimes. That’s the government’s stance on “moving”

      • Nacktmull@lemm.eeEnglish
        33·
        11 months ago

        Then I really don´t get why they did not choose to flee to a western country that does not extradite to North Korea …

        • httpjames@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          14·
          11 months ago

          Usually the plan is to go to China and then flee to a friendlier country. There are also people in China who work with North Koreans to help them defect.

        • TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          5·
          11 months ago

          They don’t usually have a choice. Other borders are much more well defended, for the reason that China will deport any Nk refugees they find.

        • DefiantBidet@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          11 months ago

          bc its not easy or cheap or feasible to a lot of people:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbXxR73QDY0

          or if you prefer a bbc link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q42kRVCCkcQ

          edit 2 : if i recall a vid i watched long ago - the closest “western” country that won’t send them back is either Cambodia or Laos - which means they have to travel the entirety of China - a country that loves to send them back - to get to that country. not easy as china is huge.

          • Nacktmull@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            11 months ago

            the closest “western” country that won’t send them back is either Cambodia or Laos

            I thought that would be South Korea but of course I am aware there is one hell of a border in between. Maybe Japan by boat would be more realistic? I just hate that in general people are not free to go where they want in this world. National states are a terrible structure.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    3·
    11 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    HONG KONG — Up to 600 North Koreans have “vanished” after having been repatriated from China to the isolated communist country, where they are likely to face imprisonment and abuse at the hands of authorities, a rights group said Thursday.

    No communication has been established with the North Koreans since they were forcibly deported from China in October in what the Transitional Justice Working Group, or TJWG, based in Seoul, South Korea, says is the largest mass repatriation of its kind in years.

    Branded criminals and traitors by the North Korean regime, they are likely to face torture and sexual- and gender-based violence, imprisonment in concentration camps, forced abortions and execution, the group said as it urged the U.S. and other governments to condemn China’s actions as a violation of international norms.

    The Chinese Foreign Affairs Ministry said at the time that there were no “so-called defectors” in China and that Beijing had always handled the issue in accordance with domestic and international law.

    “Not only are they sending these helpless North Koreans back home, but they’re also leaving these husbands without wives, children without their mothers,” said Shin, the TJWG legal analyst.

    An estimated 300 crossed the border in one place alone, from the Chinese city of Tumen in Jilin province to the North Korean town of Onsong.

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