To those that are saying they don’t see a problem with this mod. Let me put it to you this way. Instead of a mod that turned one gay woman into a straight man what if it turned one black character into a white character?
There literally was a mod like that in Stardew Valley that turned Demetrius into a white character, and it was rightfully deleted from Nexus mods. If someone has that much of a problem with a character being a different race, sex, gender, or sexual identity then they’re clearly bigoted no matter what they say to the contrary.
It’s gay erasure, and it’s bigotry, plain and simple.
The best thing about mods is that they only effect the person playing with them. I really don’t get the upset over it. Oh, no, someone else might play a version of this game with less gay (or whatever else offends you). I just can’t bring myself to have the energy to be angry about how other people have modded their game when it only effects them.
You can still play the mod! It’s not outlawed or anything. It’s just that Nexus didn’t want it on their website. He can easily distribute that Mod elsewhere. It was Nexus’s choise and they choose to get rid of it.
Which is kind of unfair tbh. It’s the same issue with how Facebook and other social media is controlling exposure to influence politics. I pretty well loathe how some platforms are essentially the only avenue for their purpose, like YouTube.
It doesn’t seem like people really consider the fallout of removing the opposition’s voice either. If we can’t hear the stupid people screaming, we’re not gonna know how stupid they are.
Forcing people to host speech they don’t want to is far more draconian than not doing so.
You’d probably be more than a little annoyed if I put a swastika sign on your front yard and then told you that you were infringing on my right to free speech when you went to go remove it.
I don’t think the government views video game mod hosts as so fundamental to a healthy society that they require strong limitations on their own freedom of speech, but you’re welcome to call up your representative and start a campaign for the ability to force Nexus to host Nazis if it’s truly important to you.
I quit playing League of Legends when they made Groovy Zilean look like a crackhead because the CCP hates drug culture. Every form of media is training your kids.
Your “freeze peach” only has to do with your government. You keep pointing out corporations aren’t people as if that had anything to do with this topic, but until you start paying taxes and owning land through Facebook, it’s a non-sequitur.
I’m not claiming that the law governs this under free speech. I simply think that free speech is worthless if it’s only in places that go ignored.
If a company is thousands of people, what is private about it? A thousand people can’t keep your secrets. FFS, Facebook is overtly selling access to them. The only ownership of Facebook is through stocks which just means the rich get to decide and the poor don’t.
People actually sell houses and shit on Facebook though. Not sure if that can be used as a reason to regulate them or not. For one, it’s a pretty easy way to discriminate against minorities without directly implicating themselves.
I’m not claiming that the law governs this under free speech. I simply think that free speech is worthless if it’s only in places that go ignored.
So why are you forcing Nexus Mods to host this content? What does this have to do with “corporations aren’t people”? Why even bring that comment up?
If a company is thousands of people, what is private about it?
This is just more non-sequiturs. First off, private in this context is privately owned. It doesn’t matter how many people work for them, nor how “secret” a “secret” is if you tell it to everyone (which isn’t a “secret” to begin with). Second off, Nexus Mod’s work force, including community management, is thirteen people.
What you think your free speech should mean, and what you think your country should do with mass media/popular social media has no basis in this conversation.
But Facebook is the one deciding I should see my conservative relatives bitch about being silenced. If I had my way I would never hear my uncle’s take on whether trans women are women, an issue which he apparently holds so close to his heart that he can’t go ten seconds without posting about it
You can, quite easily, unsub from your uncle so he doesn’t show up in your feed. He’ll still be your Facebook friend and won’t even know you aren’t seeing his drivel anymore. You can do this. Facebook doesn’t need to be the arbiter of morality.
It’s ok if you block them for you. It’s not ok if Facebook blocks them for you without your input. It’s especially not ok when they do that in mass to control the political landscape.
I very strongly believe that filters should not be imposed on people, but rather be privately curated.
It’s also not okay if the president shoots people in broad daylight. Seems weird to complain about how they could potentially that when they ain’t doing that
Suit yourself. You won’t beat the big money people at their own game with the same tactics and less resources. You’re gonna have to figure out how communications outlets need to be regulated or they’ll be used against all of us to control image.
So much ‘both sides’ nonsense disappears, when you figure out reasons come first.
Nexus blocking bigotry is good, because fuck bigotry. Facebook promoting bigotry is bad, because… fuck bigotry. The fact both actions involve the same mechanism does not matter. If you can’t comprehend a judgement of intent and outcomes, and have to grapple with events in terms of blind actions devoid of context, ask one of your fellow space aliens to explain how humans work.
No, they effect everyone. By publishing the mod, the creator told the world exactly how they feel about this subject. If it were the case as you put it, then they’d just create the mod and use it solely for themselves and not tell anyone. It’s still despicable, but at least they aren’t going to hurt anyone as no-one can stumble across it. Instead, they made a choice and the backlash they’ve received is a consequence of that choice.
Also it’s very tiring for minorities to constantly exist in a hostile world. Imagine knowing that every place you go to has at least someone outright decrying your existence.
Cis straight people generally can’t fathom how it actually feels to exist in a place where the idea that you shouldn’t exist is a popular one. Some douchebag is gonna act like some psycho on the internet saying “kill all straights” is somehow equivalent to one of the major political parties literally platforming on your nonexistence.
I’m queer and I actually thought lemmy was better than reddit up until now. It’s almost impossible to find a fucking site where I’m not going to have to see assholes who want me shot, silenced or hurt in some other way. It’s exhausting seeing the same shit all the time. It happened when spider man had a mod removed for removing pride flags, it happens when every time a game has a single background gay character, it happened when two women kissed in the last jedi. The same fucking screeching over and over because a minority of the population isn’t straight and exists.
So if it made all the good guys white and all the bad guys black we shouldn’t be concerned? And if it replaced the dialogue to include racial slurs, no big deal? Why should anyone have an issue with hateful content circulating online?
Because rejecting hateful content and making it fringe and inaccessible is for the good of everyone. Exposure to race, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation based issues makes everyone more aware and empathetic of the issues that other people face, and that’s a good thing.
And yes, both of those mod ideas you proposed would be just as bad or worse than this one and should also be deleted from Nexus mods.
So if it made all the good guys white and all the bad guys black we shouldn’t be concerned?
…and what if it did the reverse? Or eliminated all members of a given race or sex from the game/changed them to a different sex or race?
I’m just going to stand by my original position - someone creating and using a mod only effects themselves and others choosing to use the mod. The fact that other people are using a mod you don’t approve of has no impact on you, and if this mod existing hadn’t got a Vice article most of the folks in this thread upset about it would simply have never known it existed at all, because they’re unlikely to go looking for such a mod.
No need for what ifs. Stardew Valley has a very popular and well done mod called Diverse Stardew Valley. Changes nearly all (or all maybe, I’m not sure) the population to minorities or otherwise generally marginalized types.
The best thing about mods is that they only effect the person playing with them. I really don’t get the upset over it. Oh, no, someone else might play a version of this game with less gay (or whatever else offends you). I just can’t bring myself to have the energy to be angry about how other people have modded their game when it only effects them.
You can still play the mod! It’s not outlawed or anything. It’s just that Nexus didn’t want it on their website. He can easily distribute that Mod elsewhere. It was Nexus’s choise and they choose to get rid of it.
As they have every right to do.
Sure, you have freedom of speech, but no, you don’t have the right to use my megaphone to say stupid shit.
Which is kind of unfair tbh. It’s the same issue with how Facebook and other social media is controlling exposure to influence politics. I pretty well loathe how some platforms are essentially the only avenue for their purpose, like YouTube.
It doesn’t seem like people really consider the fallout of removing the opposition’s voice either. If we can’t hear the stupid people screaming, we’re not gonna know how stupid they are.
Forcing people to host speech they don’t want to is far more draconian than not doing so.
You’d probably be more than a little annoyed if I put a swastika sign on your front yard and then told you that you were infringing on my right to free speech when you went to go remove it.
Companies are not people and private homes are not platforms for mass communication.
I don’t think the government views video game mod hosts as so fundamental to a healthy society that they require strong limitations on their own freedom of speech, but you’re welcome to call up your representative and start a campaign for the ability to force Nexus to host Nazis if it’s truly important to you.
I quit playing League of Legends when they made Groovy Zilean look like a crackhead because the CCP hates drug culture. Every form of media is training your kids.
Your “freeze peach” only has to do with your government. You keep pointing out corporations aren’t people as if that had anything to do with this topic, but until you start paying taxes and owning land through Facebook, it’s a non-sequitur.
I’m not claiming that the law governs this under free speech. I simply think that free speech is worthless if it’s only in places that go ignored.
If a company is thousands of people, what is private about it? A thousand people can’t keep your secrets. FFS, Facebook is overtly selling access to them. The only ownership of Facebook is through stocks which just means the rich get to decide and the poor don’t.
People actually sell houses and shit on Facebook though. Not sure if that can be used as a reason to regulate them or not. For one, it’s a pretty easy way to discriminate against minorities without directly implicating themselves.
So why are you forcing Nexus Mods to host this content? What does this have to do with “corporations aren’t people”? Why even bring that comment up?
This is just more non-sequiturs. First off, private in this context is privately owned. It doesn’t matter how many people work for them, nor how “secret” a “secret” is if you tell it to everyone (which isn’t a “secret” to begin with). Second off, Nexus Mod’s work force, including community management, is thirteen people.
What you think your free speech should mean, and what you think your country should do with mass media/popular social media has no basis in this conversation.
No matter how much stupid people scream about being silenced, we never fucking stop hearing them
If you don’t hear them, how are you supposed to know they’re stupid? Monitor your own filter list rather than letting Facebook decide what you see.
But Facebook is the one deciding I should see my conservative relatives bitch about being silenced. If I had my way I would never hear my uncle’s take on whether trans women are women, an issue which he apparently holds so close to his heart that he can’t go ten seconds without posting about it
You can, quite easily, unsub from your uncle so he doesn’t show up in your feed. He’ll still be your Facebook friend and won’t even know you aren’t seeing his drivel anymore. You can do this. Facebook doesn’t need to be the arbiter of morality.
It’s ok if you block them for you. It’s not ok if Facebook blocks them for you without your input. It’s especially not ok when they do that in mass to control the political landscape.
I very strongly believe that filters should not be imposed on people, but rather be privately curated.
It’s also not okay if the president shoots people in broad daylight. Seems weird to complain about how they could potentially that when they ain’t doing that
There are plenty platforms to host mods. You can even just set one up yourself. You don’t have a right to be hosted on exactly the one you want.
I’ve never heard of other mod platforms aside from Nexus and Steam.
My only point is that people should have equal voice volume so that huge companies like YouTube aren’t playing nanny with the population.
How about you make a popular website and then we can decide how valid your opinion that websites should be a soapbox for vocal minorities really is.
I can think of a few minorities you wouldn’t speak of the same way.
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Suit yourself. You won’t beat the big money people at their own game with the same tactics and less resources. You’re gonna have to figure out how communications outlets need to be regulated or they’ll be used against all of us to control image.
Oh yeah, the big money people over at nexus mods are surely going to sway geopolitics climates for sure.
Don’t worry bud, mom will bring some nuggets down to the basement soon and so her lil neckbeard won’t be so cranky anymore. 🤡
Reasons matter.
So much ‘both sides’ nonsense disappears, when you figure out reasons come first.
Nexus blocking bigotry is good, because fuck bigotry. Facebook promoting bigotry is bad, because… fuck bigotry. The fact both actions involve the same mechanism does not matter. If you can’t comprehend a judgement of intent and outcomes, and have to grapple with events in terms of blind actions devoid of context, ask one of your fellow space aliens to explain how humans work.
No, they effect everyone. By publishing the mod, the creator told the world exactly how they feel about this subject. If it were the case as you put it, then they’d just create the mod and use it solely for themselves and not tell anyone. It’s still despicable, but at least they aren’t going to hurt anyone as no-one can stumble across it. Instead, they made a choice and the backlash they’ve received is a consequence of that choice.
Also it’s very tiring for minorities to constantly exist in a hostile world. Imagine knowing that every place you go to has at least someone outright decrying your existence.
Cis straight people generally can’t fathom how it actually feels to exist in a place where the idea that you shouldn’t exist is a popular one. Some douchebag is gonna act like some psycho on the internet saying “kill all straights” is somehow equivalent to one of the major political parties literally platforming on your nonexistence.
I’m queer and I actually thought lemmy was better than reddit up until now. It’s almost impossible to find a fucking site where I’m not going to have to see assholes who want me shot, silenced or hurt in some other way. It’s exhausting seeing the same shit all the time. It happened when spider man had a mod removed for removing pride flags, it happens when every time a game has a single background gay character, it happened when two women kissed in the last jedi. The same fucking screeching over and over because a minority of the population isn’t straight and exists.
So if it made all the good guys white and all the bad guys black we shouldn’t be concerned? And if it replaced the dialogue to include racial slurs, no big deal? Why should anyone have an issue with hateful content circulating online?
Because rejecting hateful content and making it fringe and inaccessible is for the good of everyone. Exposure to race, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation based issues makes everyone more aware and empathetic of the issues that other people face, and that’s a good thing.
And yes, both of those mod ideas you proposed would be just as bad or worse than this one and should also be deleted from Nexus mods.
Of course we agree. I think you meant your reply for someone else.
Nexus should not host such mods.
But It’s a single player game and anyone who installs such a thing already feels that way.
…and what if it did the reverse? Or eliminated all members of a given race or sex from the game/changed them to a different sex or race?
I’m just going to stand by my original position - someone creating and using a mod only effects themselves and others choosing to use the mod. The fact that other people are using a mod you don’t approve of has no impact on you, and if this mod existing hadn’t got a Vice article most of the folks in this thread upset about it would simply have never known it existed at all, because they’re unlikely to go looking for such a mod.
No need for what ifs. Stardew Valley has a very popular and well done mod called Diverse Stardew Valley. Changes nearly all (or all maybe, I’m not sure) the population to minorities or otherwise generally marginalized types.