Senior men have higher rates of suicide than average, and firearms were involved in more than three-quarters of those deaths in 2021, according to a CDC report

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    No it is not, Japan has a higher rate than we do and they basically don’t have firearms at all in their country.

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        Uhh Japan’s rate is 16.5 vs the USAs 14… they most definitely have a higher rate of suicide. I don’t even know how you think we have a lower rate than they do.

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            1 year ago

            Your own source from the wiki link you posted says you’re wrong. Please provide a different source that says differently

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            There are some sourcing issues with statistics that are going on with this thread, me thinks. When I did a quick glance over the numbers, there are a ton of conditions like gender, age, year, population, etc., that need to be validated as well. Cultural differences regarding suicide need to be taken into account as well.

            Regardless, y’all can argue about insignificant statistical differences all you want. A suicide is a suicide and the method of suicide is irrelevant.

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              A suicide is a suicide and the method of suicide is irrelevant.

              Which is your gut feeling about how suicide works, not supported in any way by anyone involved in the study of suicide or suicide prevention.

              The claim “they’d just do it another way” is bullshit.

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                I spot checked numbers around the world and the suicide rates are fairly consistent regardless of gun laws.

                You are just making wild assumptions about how I read into anything, and, based on your name, you are just trolling. Just blabbing out “Nah! U wrong!” doesn’t really prove a point, it is just provoking an argument.

                Saying that is takes a suicide specialist to read is a weird claim. It’s like saying you need to have a doctorate degree in language studies to write something down.

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                  Oh apparently its permissable to not provide links when you do it.

                  But don’t worry, I know what the numbers are so I wont deliberately waste your time in an act of bad faith in the hope that next time you just let people spread misinformation.

                  Even disregarding that nowhere has gun laws that allow violent, suicidal people to acquire guns as easily as America, numbers are not the whole story.

                  Every time widespread means reduction has been implemented, those numbers have gone down.

                  I’m sorry if that hurts your guns feelings.

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                    I can easily post sources and do when it’s important. You usually don’t and you make some very bold claims, and seem to never back up your claims. Ever.

                    Your statement “I know what the numbers are” is verification of that. You are basically saying “if you don’t know, I am not going to tell you”, just like a child.

                    Most of all, Karen, if you want to talk about bad faith, let’s talk about your constant and consistent need to get quippy and obtuse. You obviously have strong feelings about this subject, but your delivery is just bad. You aren’t going to convince anyone of anything by being smug.

                    Guns are machines. Guns don’t have feelings. Guns don’t jump up and magically shoot things because they got pissed off. Guns don’t call people stupid or get emotional. Guns don’t get drunk and rape kids or beat their spouse.