Anyone that is unfortunate enough to stumble into this mess, please review all the conversations between Doomsider and myself. You will find he is either a bot, troll, or astroturfing. He refuses to take any stand on any matter and will only attack, deny, or accuse. He has no principles. Please ignore him and preferably, block him.
I would definitely recommend blocking this guy. He is a wanna be troll baiter. I don’t mind having conversations, but it is clear this character is a political hack with a lot of rage and no answers.
Don’t block him. Any time you see him comment just let people know he’s a fascist apologist. The only evidence that you need is that he refuses to take a stand on whether he feels violence should be used against violent fascists. In fact, he doesn’t take any stand. That’s because he was never here to make a point in good faith. Help keep him and others like him out of here so that real people can have honest conversations.
GCA and NFA are not related to the Black Panthers. It is clear you are very wrong, but that is okay.
Fascism is what brought more guns than people to my country. We lose 50k civilians every year to gun violence and you could care less. Don’t even try to lecture me.
You want to complain to the manager of the fascists? Maybe this will get them to stop what they’re doing? Also, if you’re going to argue a point in good faith… at least don’t make it seem like we should accept fascism just because it’s kind of always been around.
I absolutely detest fascism, but I also recognize that the US has always been fascist from the very start. Not only that, but the US is also the chief exporter of fascism having toppled 75 countries during the Cold War alone. It helps put things in perspective.
Did you miss the part where the US was pro-Nazi in the 1930’s (that is where America First slogan came from) and wealthy people in the US were instrumental in funding the Nazi party?
Did you miss the cold war where the US toppled over seventy democratic countries and installed fascist dictators?
Did you miss the genocide of the Native Americans which the Nazi modeled their extermination of the Jews after?
Did you miss how Nazi Germany came to all the countries to find a place to send the Jews but wealthy US representatives lobbied the entire world not to take them in?
Did you miss after the US/Mexico war the reason we didn’t divide Mexico up into new states was because representatives at the time said it would poison our nations blood?
Did you miss the American Revolution where wealthy business owners engaged in terrorism and propaganda to incite a peaceful people against their country and then installed their military commander as the first President?
I mean I could go on all day. The US was fascist before we even had a definition for it. Are some policies right now making the US seem even more fascist? Sure, but we have always been.
You serve no purpose in your conversations other than to try to garner support for your paranoia. I notice how quick you are to point at problems, and how you have yet to offer any solutions or propose any alternatives. Nobody should engage you in any meaningful conversation for which you appear to be unable to engage in good faith. You also said this.
“Saying the US is turning fascist is nonsensical.” - Doomsider
Now stand by your words and explain to everyone why you’re not wrong without changing the subject and spouting about some vaguely related historical fact to obfuscate. Eat Crow, Doomsider.
You’ve lost the narrative. Nobody cares what you think anymore, if they ever did. You enjoy the taste of boot leather with a sanctimonious superiority fetish. This is what you are.
Since you’re not messaging me, anymore, I just want you to know that I think it’s really sweet of you to be able to care less for me. You’ve set our differences aside and become a better person than you were before. That’s what life is all about.
You’re a fascist apologist. That’s a fact. For the record, so everyone here knows what you are: Do you or do you not support using violence against violent fascists?
They literally dragged off university students for protesting Isreal, and then the President threatened states that boycott Israel. You are completely wrong on the first point.
The US locks up more people than anywhere else in the world. I think you are not critically examining these issues and instead are going off of years of propaganda you have been spoon fed.
Ok, now tell me what actually happened and not the Democrat narrative.
Also the US locks up more people than anyone else in the world because we have a much larger population than almost everyone in the world. We also have a major crime problems stemming from a culture that glorified criminal activity.
I am not part of the Democratic Party so I am not sure what their perspective is. My perspective is wealthy people are controlling the messaging around Palestine. The reason they effectively shut down all college protests is to control the narrative.
This is like pro-active propaganda where you confront a problem before it becomes one. Fox News is great at this with talking heads creating the narrative to stories before they are even broken. Thus inoculating their viewers from outside opinions before they even hear them.
You are outright wrong about your analysis of our prison system. We only account for 4% of the world’s population but 20% of the world’s prison population.
We have a major problem with locking people up, that is for sure.
My perspective is that you’re obfuscating from real solutions and distracting people with perceived problems. You have nothing of value to offer any debate or conversation. If we every want to know what’s wrong with the world, you’re an endless list. Ask you to take a stand on any given solution and you shut down. Why don’t you have any principles, Doomsider? Instead of telling people what we shouldn’t be doing… why don’t you let us all know what you think we should be doing?
The only person who has offered up no insight or facts is you. I mean you really are coming off as pathetic at this point.
I will offer you this, as I can already tell you haven’t learned any lessons from history.
You think the way to fight fascism is with violence, or perhaps more specifically to fight fascist violence with violence. This is unfortunately propaganda you have come to believe.
The crux of your belief system is probably informed by WWII and the defeat of the Nazi empire through violence. The problem is it is not all that it seems and fascism was not defeated in WWII. In fact, the Fascist country that helped to create the Nazi empire was also the one that helped end it.
Wealthy people in the US funded the Nazi party and then made sure there was no escape for the Jews. If the US was the good guy and not fascist then why did they do this? Why did US corporations help the Nazi empire?
Why did the US welcome all the Nazi scientists with open arms? Why did we continue to practice eugenics if Nazism was bad?
This is the problem of thinking a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun. The truth in this situation and most others is there is no good guy.
You seem to miss the point of discussion. Instead of listening, you just have to be right. I am not joking when I say that you seem fascist yourself. You really do believe your ideology will somehow take hold after all the dusts settles. Just like every other fascist.
We already know the answer. You think violence will solve the problem and I do not.
Why? Because it already didn’t work. Not only has fascism continued to spread like wildfire but the US is directly responsible for it. Hell, we literally hold the whole world hostage with our military power.
Just like WWI lead to WWII, more violence will lead to more fascism. You think we can murder our way out of this situation. I think that you become the problem you seek to stop. Why? Because it has already happened and will happen more.
The best way to stop a problem it is to first identify it. You can’t even do that. That is why we are even having a discussion at this point.
People claim to be “oppressed” as the government passes special laws to protect them and put their flags out everywhere.
In your mind you’re oppressed.
If guns were the solution to minority oppression then the US would be the least oppressive place in the world.
Checks notes Apparently guns don’t help, but please do tell that to the 50,000 Americans we lose every year to gun violence.
That is right every year we lose more citizens than a major conflict and that is just “normal” apparently.
The only gun control in the US is a result of the Black Panthers
The government is afraid of vulnerable minorities owning guns
There are more guns than every man, women, child, and baby in the US.
And no the only gun control is not related to the Black Panthers. There was some California gun control related to it though. It was the Mulford Act.
Are you really this ignorant of US history or are you intentionally trying to mislead people?
It is simple not all gun control is related to the Black Panthers. You implied it was. Why are you trying to mislead people?
Anyone that is unfortunate enough to stumble into this mess, please review all the conversations between Doomsider and myself. You will find he is either a bot, troll, or astroturfing. He refuses to take any stand on any matter and will only attack, deny, or accuse. He has no principles. Please ignore him and preferably, block him.
I would definitely recommend blocking this guy. He is a wanna be troll baiter. I don’t mind having conversations, but it is clear this character is a political hack with a lot of rage and no answers.
I agree. That way I can continue my work against fascist apologists without interference from other fascist apologists.
Banning attachments isn’t gun control.
Changing the rules on who is allowed to own guns is.
Keep pedanticly supporting fascism it’s a great look.
Banning stuff isn’t control. Got it. 👍
If it doesn’t prevent you from getting a gun and shooting someone with it then no, it isn’t a restriction or control in a meaningful way.
Thanks for giving me another pedant to block tho
Don’t block him. Any time you see him comment just let people know he’s a fascist apologist. The only evidence that you need is that he refuses to take a stand on whether he feels violence should be used against violent fascists. In fact, he doesn’t take any stand. That’s because he was never here to make a point in good faith. Help keep him and others like him out of here so that real people can have honest conversations.
This man is right. Doomsider is absolutely pedantically supporting fascism. Spot on.
GCA and NFA are not related to the Black Panthers. It is clear you are very wrong, but that is okay.
Fascism is what brought more guns than people to my country. We lose 50k civilians every year to gun violence and you could care less. Don’t even try to lecture me.
So clearly, we should stop fascism… right?
Doesn’t matter. Fascism is here. Time to get armed.
Facts don’t matter? sound pretty fascist to me.
Besides, fascism has always been here. Anything else requires drinking copious amounts of Kool-Aid.
You want to complain to the manager of the fascists? Maybe this will get them to stop what they’re doing? Also, if you’re going to argue a point in good faith… at least don’t make it seem like we should accept fascism just because it’s kind of always been around.
I absolutely detest fascism, but I also recognize that the US has always been fascist from the very start. Not only that, but the US is also the chief exporter of fascism having toppled 75 countries during the Cold War alone. It helps put things in perspective.
Your detesting of fascism doesn’t stop violent fascists from killing or seizing power.
You have to actually know your enemy to fight it. Saying the US is turning fascist is nonsensical.
You seem to be stuck in a nasty state of cognitive dissonance.
“Saying the US is turning fascist is nonsensical.” – Are you sure you want to stand by this statement?
Absofuckinglutely.
Did you miss the part where the US was pro-Nazi in the 1930’s (that is where America First slogan came from) and wealthy people in the US were instrumental in funding the Nazi party?
Did you miss the cold war where the US toppled over seventy democratic countries and installed fascist dictators?
Did you miss the genocide of the Native Americans which the Nazi modeled their extermination of the Jews after?
Did you miss how Nazi Germany came to all the countries to find a place to send the Jews but wealthy US representatives lobbied the entire world not to take them in?
Did you miss after the US/Mexico war the reason we didn’t divide Mexico up into new states was because representatives at the time said it would poison our nations blood?
Did you miss the American Revolution where wealthy business owners engaged in terrorism and propaganda to incite a peaceful people against their country and then installed their military commander as the first President?
I mean I could go on all day. The US was fascist before we even had a definition for it. Are some policies right now making the US seem even more fascist? Sure, but we have always been.
You serve no purpose in your conversations other than to try to garner support for your paranoia. I notice how quick you are to point at problems, and how you have yet to offer any solutions or propose any alternatives. Nobody should engage you in any meaningful conversation for which you appear to be unable to engage in good faith. You also said this.
“Saying the US is turning fascist is nonsensical.” - Doomsider
Now stand by your words and explain to everyone why you’re not wrong without changing the subject and spouting about some vaguely related historical fact to obfuscate. Eat Crow, Doomsider.
I can support my statement with facts. All you have is feelings apparently. Cheers!
You’ve lost the narrative. Nobody cares what you think anymore, if they ever did. You enjoy the taste of boot leather with a sanctimonious superiority fetish. This is what you are.
I could care less about what a mentally ill wannabe fascist thinks about me. Haters gonna hate.
Since you’re not messaging me, anymore, I just want you to know that I think it’s really sweet of you to be able to care less for me. You’ve set our differences aside and become a better person than you were before. That’s what life is all about.
Oh please, you are such a ham.
Man, if you need help… just reach out. I’m here for you.
You’re a fascist apologist. That’s a fact. For the record, so everyone here knows what you are: Do you or do you not support using violence against violent fascists?
As I suspected, you just want to murder people just like the fascists you hate. YouAreLiterallyaFascist!
Answer the question. Don’t make it about me.
Man, sure is quiet here. He responded to me elsewhere, however… but not here. Fuckin’ crickets are loud, though.
I don’t see people in the US being dragged off for posting memes or engaging in wrongthink. Not yet anyway.
The US is FAR less oppressive than places like the UK and Canada.
They literally dragged off university students for protesting Isreal, and then the President threatened states that boycott Israel. You are completely wrong on the first point.
The US locks up more people than anywhere else in the world. I think you are not critically examining these issues and instead are going off of years of propaganda you have been spoon fed.
What did you do about it?
Ok, now tell me what actually happened and not the Democrat narrative.
Also the US locks up more people than anyone else in the world because we have a much larger population than almost everyone in the world. We also have a major crime problems stemming from a culture that glorified criminal activity.
Like having a pedophile rapist president with a fully loaded pedophile rapist cabinet?
I am not part of the Democratic Party so I am not sure what their perspective is. My perspective is wealthy people are controlling the messaging around Palestine. The reason they effectively shut down all college protests is to control the narrative.
This is like pro-active propaganda where you confront a problem before it becomes one. Fox News is great at this with talking heads creating the narrative to stories before they are even broken. Thus inoculating their viewers from outside opinions before they even hear them.
You are outright wrong about your analysis of our prison system. We only account for 4% of the world’s population but 20% of the world’s prison population.
We have a major problem with locking people up, that is for sure.
My perspective is that you’re obfuscating from real solutions and distracting people with perceived problems. You have nothing of value to offer any debate or conversation. If we every want to know what’s wrong with the world, you’re an endless list. Ask you to take a stand on any given solution and you shut down. Why don’t you have any principles, Doomsider? Instead of telling people what we shouldn’t be doing… why don’t you let us all know what you think we should be doing?
Well, your perspective is just shit then I guess.
The only person who has offered up no insight or facts is you. I mean you really are coming off as pathetic at this point.
I will offer you this, as I can already tell you haven’t learned any lessons from history.
You think the way to fight fascism is with violence, or perhaps more specifically to fight fascist violence with violence. This is unfortunately propaganda you have come to believe.
The crux of your belief system is probably informed by WWII and the defeat of the Nazi empire through violence. The problem is it is not all that it seems and fascism was not defeated in WWII. In fact, the Fascist country that helped to create the Nazi empire was also the one that helped end it.
Wealthy people in the US funded the Nazi party and then made sure there was no escape for the Jews. If the US was the good guy and not fascist then why did they do this? Why did US corporations help the Nazi empire?
Why did the US welcome all the Nazi scientists with open arms? Why did we continue to practice eugenics if Nazism was bad?
This is the problem of thinking a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun. The truth in this situation and most others is there is no good guy.
You seem to miss the point of discussion. Instead of listening, you just have to be right. I am not joking when I say that you seem fascist yourself. You really do believe your ideology will somehow take hold after all the dusts settles. Just like every other fascist.
You’re a feckless coward and fascist apologist. Do you or do you not support using violence against violent fascists? Not me. You.
We already know the answer. You think violence will solve the problem and I do not.
Why? Because it already didn’t work. Not only has fascism continued to spread like wildfire but the US is directly responsible for it. Hell, we literally hold the whole world hostage with our military power.
Just like WWI lead to WWII, more violence will lead to more fascism. You think we can murder our way out of this situation. I think that you become the problem you seek to stop. Why? Because it has already happened and will happen more.
The best way to stop a problem it is to first identify it. You can’t even do that. That is why we are even having a discussion at this point.
Hilariously false
Hilariously true. Call Trump whatever you want and you can’t be touched. Oppose the ruling regime in the UK and they send the police after you.
Hilariously untrue. You get that people ain’t free in the USA right?
In your mind it’s far less oppressive. You clearly really have no idea.
People claim to be “oppressed” as the government passes special laws to protect them and put their flags out everywhere. In your mind you’re oppressed.
Well they are getting to it. Be patient!