The only person who has offered up no insight or facts is you. I mean you really are coming off as pathetic at this point.
I will offer you this, as I can already tell you haven’t learned any lessons from history.
You think the way to fight fascism is with violence, or perhaps more specifically to fight fascist violence with violence. This is unfortunately propaganda you have come to believe.
The crux of your belief system is probably informed by WWII and the defeat of the Nazi empire through violence. The problem is it is not all that it seems and fascism was not defeated in WWII. In fact, the Fascist country that helped to create the Nazi empire was also the one that helped end it.
Wealthy people in the US funded the Nazi party and then made sure there was no escape for the Jews. If the US was the good guy and not fascist then why did they do this? Why did US corporations help the Nazi empire?
Why did the US welcome all the Nazi scientists with open arms? Why did we continue to practice eugenics if Nazism was bad?
This is the problem of thinking a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun. The truth in this situation and most others is there is no good guy.
You seem to miss the point of discussion. Instead of listening, you just have to be right. I am not joking when I say that you seem fascist yourself. You really do believe your ideology will somehow take hold after all the dusts settles. Just like every other fascist.
We already know the answer. You think violence will solve the problem and I do not.
Why? Because it already didn’t work. Not only has fascism continued to spread like wildfire but the US is directly responsible for it. Hell, we literally hold the whole world hostage with our military power.
Just like WWI lead to WWII, more violence will lead to more fascism. You think we can murder our way out of this situation. I think that you become the problem you seek to stop. Why? Because it has already happened and will happen more.
The best way to stop a problem it is to first identify it. You can’t even do that. That is why we are even having a discussion at this point.
So to be clear; if you don’t believe in using violence to stop violent fascism… then what do you believe will?
Edit; You’re falling victim to the paradox of tolerance. You’re advocating that we should tolerate intolerance lest we become the intolerant. This is where your ignorance on the subject shows. You’re not better than those who would use violence to protect, you’re an enabler of those who would use violence to destroy.
The problem is you can’t really defeat the ideology that is fascism in a fascist nation. We can modify it though, to be more humane. I do this everyday of my life by helping people. I am an advocate and I am not afraid to act political.
We can make it uncool and talk shit about it to as many people possible. Make fun of fascists, humiliate them, make them seem weird and uncool. It is and always will be the battle for the minds. Propaganda works yo.
We can definitely vote for the lesser of the evils but we can never lose sight of the awful truth. We are a fascist nation driven by wealth and greed. If you haven’t figured it out, wealth concentration is one of the strongest predictors of fascism.
So if a fascist is beating your face in, threatening to kill you and people are standing around, you won’t ask for help? But if someone does try to help you and must use violence to do so, you will tell them they’re the fascist? And this is good?
If a fascist is attacking and harming someone, you will stand by and do nothing, because this makes you good? You clearly don’t understand how your virtue signal of tolerance falls apart the moment you need help, or someone else needs your help. You’re not virtuous, you’re just a coward and an enabler.
You hide behind virtue to signal that you have developed a belief that doesn’t reflect reality. You’re also under the impression that you can talk them out of this. In fact, there’s a fable about people like you as a cautionary tale: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog
Your inability to understand the Paradox of Tolerance, or grasp any real greater philosophy that doesn’t ‘feel the way you want it to’ makes you short sighted and ignorant. I hope you grow past this because you’re not only ineffectual, you’re trying to criticize those who are actually doing something. Until that changes you’re still a fascist apologist.
You would accept contracts with those who would break them, and then keep those contracts after they are broken. Not because you are virtuous, but because you have made a stupid choice.
So this all boils down to some self defense fantasy for you. I am sorry, but you are acting really pathetic.
I thought you had a point, now I’m thinking you might just have mental illness.
Save me to sophomoric intolerance of tolerance and the child story the scorpion and the frog. This is the fucking wisdom you have!? Really, just really.
You’re clearly trying to make someone build your arguments for you. If you’ve identified the problem, then please… let the rest of us know what that problem is.
Edit; oh wait, you want to rattle off how bad the history of the US is in order to sound the ‘let’s do nothing’ alarm in your defeatism, couched in cowardice.
Well, your perspective is just shit then I guess.
The only person who has offered up no insight or facts is you. I mean you really are coming off as pathetic at this point.
I will offer you this, as I can already tell you haven’t learned any lessons from history.
You think the way to fight fascism is with violence, or perhaps more specifically to fight fascist violence with violence. This is unfortunately propaganda you have come to believe.
The crux of your belief system is probably informed by WWII and the defeat of the Nazi empire through violence. The problem is it is not all that it seems and fascism was not defeated in WWII. In fact, the Fascist country that helped to create the Nazi empire was also the one that helped end it.
Wealthy people in the US funded the Nazi party and then made sure there was no escape for the Jews. If the US was the good guy and not fascist then why did they do this? Why did US corporations help the Nazi empire?
Why did the US welcome all the Nazi scientists with open arms? Why did we continue to practice eugenics if Nazism was bad?
This is the problem of thinking a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun. The truth in this situation and most others is there is no good guy.
You seem to miss the point of discussion. Instead of listening, you just have to be right. I am not joking when I say that you seem fascist yourself. You really do believe your ideology will somehow take hold after all the dusts settles. Just like every other fascist.
You’re a feckless coward and fascist apologist. Do you or do you not support using violence against violent fascists? Not me. You.
We already know the answer. You think violence will solve the problem and I do not.
Why? Because it already didn’t work. Not only has fascism continued to spread like wildfire but the US is directly responsible for it. Hell, we literally hold the whole world hostage with our military power.
Just like WWI lead to WWII, more violence will lead to more fascism. You think we can murder our way out of this situation. I think that you become the problem you seek to stop. Why? Because it has already happened and will happen more.
The best way to stop a problem it is to first identify it. You can’t even do that. That is why we are even having a discussion at this point.
So to be clear; if you don’t believe in using violence to stop violent fascism… then what do you believe will?
Edit; You’re falling victim to the paradox of tolerance. You’re advocating that we should tolerate intolerance lest we become the intolerant. This is where your ignorance on the subject shows. You’re not better than those who would use violence to protect, you’re an enabler of those who would use violence to destroy.
The problem is you can’t really defeat the ideology that is fascism in a fascist nation. We can modify it though, to be more humane. I do this everyday of my life by helping people. I am an advocate and I am not afraid to act political.
We can make it uncool and talk shit about it to as many people possible. Make fun of fascists, humiliate them, make them seem weird and uncool. It is and always will be the battle for the minds. Propaganda works yo.
We can definitely vote for the lesser of the evils but we can never lose sight of the awful truth. We are a fascist nation driven by wealth and greed. If you haven’t figured it out, wealth concentration is one of the strongest predictors of fascism.
So if a fascist is beating your face in, threatening to kill you and people are standing around, you won’t ask for help? But if someone does try to help you and must use violence to do so, you will tell them they’re the fascist? And this is good?
If a fascist is attacking and harming someone, you will stand by and do nothing, because this makes you good? You clearly don’t understand how your virtue signal of tolerance falls apart the moment you need help, or someone else needs your help. You’re not virtuous, you’re just a coward and an enabler.
You hide behind virtue to signal that you have developed a belief that doesn’t reflect reality. You’re also under the impression that you can talk them out of this. In fact, there’s a fable about people like you as a cautionary tale: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog
Your inability to understand the Paradox of Tolerance, or grasp any real greater philosophy that doesn’t ‘feel the way you want it to’ makes you short sighted and ignorant. I hope you grow past this because you’re not only ineffectual, you’re trying to criticize those who are actually doing something. Until that changes you’re still a fascist apologist.
You would accept contracts with those who would break them, and then keep those contracts after they are broken. Not because you are virtuous, but because you have made a stupid choice.
So this all boils down to some self defense fantasy for you. I am sorry, but you are acting really pathetic.
I thought you had a point, now I’m thinking you might just have mental illness.
Save me to sophomoric intolerance of tolerance and the child story the scorpion and the frog. This is the fucking wisdom you have!? Really, just really.
Violence against people is bad. Nazis aren’t people.
You’re clearly trying to make someone build your arguments for you. If you’ve identified the problem, then please… let the rest of us know what that problem is.
Edit; oh wait, you want to rattle off how bad the history of the US is in order to sound the ‘let’s do nothing’ alarm in your defeatism, couched in cowardice.
What is your point, that I have no point!? Pretty pointless.
Hey I get it, you got nothing. That is okay.