tbf yes normally there is a lot of special pleading around here but in this case the nazi’s were socialists in the same way the democratic republic of north korea is a democracy
Nah, I mean, when decentralized workers’ control in Anarchist Catalonia led to many local workers’ councils prioritizing their own desires over the war effort even in the face of a literal fascist victory, that’s a pretty distinct and socialist downside, for example.
But when a bunch of ghouls slap a coat of red paint or a few words on an ideology, that ain’t enough to qualify as socialist.
“Decentralized workers’ control” it was roving gangs and militias.
During the first weeks of the war, courts of law were replaced by revolutionary tribunals and extrajudicial killings by militants and vigilantes soon followed:
Everybody created his own justice and administered it himself…Some used to call this ‘taking a person for a ride’ [paseo] but I maintain that it was justice administered directly by the people in the complete absence of the regular judicial bodies.
During the initial fighting several thousand individuals were executed by anarchist and socialist militants based on their assumed political allegiance and social class:
We do not wish to deny that the nineteenth of July brought with it an overflowing of passions and abuses, a natural phenomenon of the transfer of power from the hands of privileged to the hands of the people. It is possible that our victory resulted in the death by violence of four or five thousand inhabitants of Catalonia who were listed as rightists and were linked to political or ecclesiastical reaction.
They also fit squarely in the “bunch of ghouls” category.
When you butcher the definition of socialism, it’s easy to find downsides. Socialism has downsides, but when you’re arguing with somebody on the right, they generally have no idea what the definition is. So all the downsides they bring up have nothing to do with socialism.
Per definition anything bad that happens under the name socialism isn’t socialism. It’s the only ideology that has no downsides!
tbf yes normally there is a lot of special pleading around here but in this case the nazi’s were socialists in the same way the democratic republic of north korea is a democracy
Well, also the USSR and China weren’t/aren’t communist, they were/are state/feudal capitalist.
there’s that special pleading
Nah, I mean, when decentralized workers’ control in Anarchist Catalonia led to many local workers’ councils prioritizing their own desires over the war effort even in the face of a literal fascist victory, that’s a pretty distinct and socialist downside, for example.
But when a bunch of ghouls slap a coat of red paint or a few words on an ideology, that ain’t enough to qualify as socialist.
“Decentralized workers’ control” it was roving gangs and militias.
They also fit squarely in the “bunch of ghouls” category.
That’s clearly not their fault, but everyone else’s
When you butcher the definition of socialism, it’s easy to find downsides. Socialism has downsides, but when you’re arguing with somebody on the right, they generally have no idea what the definition is. So all the downsides they bring up have nothing to do with socialism.
No it truly is a name that doesn’t match. Hitler hated it but the party was already formed. If it helps, put all the emphasis on NATIONAL.