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    If not for labor unions we would still be working 12+ hour days. The 8 hour workday and the weekend is all thanks to the courageous efforts of labor advocates.

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      Yep, 16 hour workdays were not uncommon historically (there’s a reason non-US countries remember May Day).

      If you search up 16 hour workdays now, you’ll depressingly find people framing it in a positive light. Capitalism is trying to make workaholism the norm and required to survive.

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      We have so much to be thankfull for to those that came before us. Standing on the shoulders of giants, how easily we forget.

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        The goverment started recognizing some of these rights after they were won by unions. Then they regulated unions to death, since we’ve got these nice laws now. Then they started rolling back the legal protections.

        And people still have the nerve to say the government is protecting workers rights.

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    Doesn’t stop certain big tech companies from building giant campuses with cafeterias and housing so that employees can literally live, eat, and sleep at work.

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      Imagine if they let us work from home instead. I already live, eat, and sleep at work, and it doesn’t cost my company a dime! In fact I pay for all of it!

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        What if we all just didn’t go in? They gonna fire everyone?

        And they can sell the office too (good luck lmao), we are doing the company a service 😌

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          What if we all just didn’t go in? They gonna fire everyone?

          That is called a strike and why they work

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    Dudes wearing Oakley’s and Fox Racing hats would be saying they’re better than you because you don’t work 22 hour days.

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      I don’t understand that culture. You get looked down upon if you say something and when I said we need at least 100k yearly in America, they laugh as it too much for them. We need more confidence as workers to demand more and unions.

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          It’s almost as if decades of identity politics fed to the uneducated masses is super effective.

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            I’ve literally had a relative say shit like “only construction workers need unions” and other nonsense because he just does not understand that for society to function for more than 100 years, you need to be able to tell your boss to fuckoff or do fuckall and get paid for it. I think people assume that wage earners are the latter but like security cams and bullshit metrics and shit have eroded any semblance of humanity from modern workplaces.

            All of this stems from a few areas that keep labor prices down artificially: Agricultural worker exemptions, prisoner exemptions and corporate personhood. You might be like “why the last one” but its the one that says you are functionally equivalent to a corporate charter in the eyes of the government.

            • The last one was specifically to allow corporations to (effectively) vote. We’ve been living with the political results of that since; it’s one reason why the rest of the world laughs when anyone calls Bernie Sanders a leftist extremist.

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    This doesn’t really make sense. Try it the other way: “It’s a shame we don’t sleep 23 hours a day, then we’d only have to work for a few minutes.”

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      Capitalism can also work with government mandate which is not corrupt. If government rule for a 3 days work week and 5 hours a day then it should work

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        Very rich man proceed to buy a lot of medias, make them share propaganda to vote for the politician that will make you work more.

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        Every time the working class gains wins under capitalism they are short term at best. The new deal in the US is a great example. As long as capital controls the levers of power, it will always find ways to claw back the gains of the working class for for the name of profit.

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    Follow-up Shower thought: Sentient Robots will not require rest or sleep, and thus, will automatically suffer through this.

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      Why would you specifically use the sentient robots for your grunt work and why would an artificial intelligence have problems with the same things humans do? Especially if an AI was made for the specific purpose of doing work. The reason humans don’t like doing work is because evolution naturally selected for us to be good at things like

      -hunting gazelles

      -gathering berries

      -making finger paintings on cave walls

      -sitting around a campfire making ape noises

      and not working at a corporation. For an AI, it’d presumably be the opposite, meaning that AIs would be about as content with their lives as humans are in their natural environment.

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        Actually. If since we have evolved since we were doing all those things we have evolved more towards what we have now. Evolution doesn’t just stop

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          Ackshyually, we’ve had millions of years to get used to fire, about 200,000 to get used to being sentient, 20,000 to get used to agriculture, about 150 to get used to industrial society, and about 30 to get used to computers. We have just barely figured out how to cope with knowledge of our own deaths by making up supernatural stuff about it and we have not gotten used to any of that other stuff at all.

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            Achshyualllly, organisms evolve on a much greater speed than you are giving them credit for some species being drastically different 1-5 generations after changing environment. You can really see it in domestic dogs and cats.

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              Achsjulllyally, dogs and cats changed quickly on account of selective breeding. Natural selection, especially in cases where flaws in biology won’t immediately lead to someone losing reproductive fitness, operates on much longer timespans.

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                Achsjullllyallyyyyiu, humans also do a form of Selective breeding voluntarily and it’s why families that tend to live in a more rural farming type communities tend to naturally be larger. We breed for what our families job is going to be.

                All I’m saying is the Human race is very adaptable and we have changed a lot since drawing on cave walls.

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                  Achsjullllyallyyyyiu, humans also do a form of Selective breeding voluntarily and it’s why families that tend to live in a more rural farming type communities tend to naturally be larger. We breed for what our families job is going to be.

                  This is not really what I’m talking about, making more people so you can make them work on the fields is kinda different from breeding dogs with inhumanely short snouts for aesthetic purposes, or making gargantuan dogs capable of 1v1ing a tiger so they’ll protect your livestock

                  All I’m saying is the Human race is very adaptable and we have changed a lot since drawing on cave walls.

                  Culturally, yes, physically, a little bit, psychologically, no. Our minds are still optimized for the savannah, and not the office, factory, or farm. Cultural adaptations, in the form of religion and etiquette, which we patch in after birth are what fill the gaps and make us actually capable of thriving in such a foreign environment to what our biology is made for.