What era in time do these people think R’s are trying to conserve to, after or before civil rights?
That Jordan guy is a real idiot
I don’t understand how he missed the part that Republicans are largely anti-lgbtq.
Everyone who supports authoritarianism thinks they’re going to be the exception. They can see other people who their politics denigrates as outsiders easily, but they could never be outsiders because they’re them and they buy into the bullying. They think signalling that they’re on board with mistreating other people will protect them from being mistreated, but all it does in reality is create a society where no one is safe.
Even the powerful people who buy into this thinking will find that it bites them in the ass eventually. They may be late on the list, but they’re still on the list. Eventually either the ever-shrinking circle of “insiders” will exclude them, or they’ll be in the last in-group once they’ve alienated the rest of society and put their own safety at risk. Every dictator is terrified of this, because they’ve seen how it plays out. They’re just gambling that it won’t happen to them, but eventually the mob will come. The best they can hope for is to delay it as long as possible.
But queer Republicans? Republicans of color? Disabled Republicans? Republican women even? They’re on the chopping block from the start and are only surrounding themselves with the people who want to diminish them while alienating anyone who might genuinely want to help.
All the more reason they can’t look directly at it. They think if they don’t make eye contact or try to fight back or run, the predator won’t come for them. They couldn’t be more wrong.
People need to stop treating this like team sports. If a party does not represent you then don’t vote for them. It’s really that simple.
Oh yeah? Well you say that because your team is shit!My team is a multiple-time genocide winner, and went several times in the finals for racism and segregation and is probably still one of the best for transphoby, homophoby and misogyny. Go fascists!
The Democrats don’t represent most of the people who vote for them, either. They’re just not nearly as bad as Republicans.
Which is why, while I do vote democrat, I am not a democrat. Their interests are more aligned with mine than the republicans, even though they might as well both be on the god damn moon.
People identifying so strongly with some political party like this is so weird and disgusting, regardless of party.
Yup. We need to move theoverton window back
In Europe, where there’s typically way more choice, the candidate I usually end up voting for isn’t necessarily the greatest. It’s the least bad realistic choice available. Because that’s how democracy works, there aren’t great candidates anyway. Just vaguely better choices.
At least Europe has actual left-wing parties. Here it’s right-wing or full-on nazi.
It’s everywhere. Portuguese here and I tell you, I can’t remember the last election I voted for who I actually wanted. Now is just the neo nazis pushing and people like me voting for the lesser evil because if we don’t we are screwed.
This is everything. When I go to my local pizza joint, I’m picking the least bad option. What I really want is to fly to Sicily and get the same one I had there before, but that’s not an option.
That’s the next level. First we need to get people to stop voting against themselves.
Vote your interests not your pride.
That’s… that’s kinda a damning statement on the democrats as well. But double so in this case
Yeah. The only reason politicians get away with not actually representing us is because we don’t demand it.
Tribalism at its finest
He’s not even part of their tribe lol
You’re making way to hard for most people out there.
/s <<just incase
I can’t believe face eating leopards eat faces…
doing this will only push me and other people like me out!
That’s the point. Next, to the camps for you.
First they came for the communists and I didnt complain because I wasnt a communist…
So, a married gay man who is conservative, a gay man who I presume to be a cis man, who call himself pro life… I’m not an expert or anything of sorts but I don’t think he should be having an opinion of abortion, because let’s say, his opinion of abortion is so well informed and backed by science as his voting choices… everyone capable of getting pregnant is seriously screwed.
Just use the word republicans, it pisses everyone off
“When i vote R, i didn’t think” sums it up nicely.
I find it interesting that the basic premise of his argument is that all current legislature is correct and good. He just wants any future rules about unlegislated concepts to be reactionary.
This asshole will be trying to explain to the guards that he voted for Trump and not like these groomers as he’s loaded onto the next bus headed for the camps.
Its Regression not conservatism. Quit calling it that. There is nothing wrong with a conservative outlook. The maga don’t have a conservative outlook. They have a regressive one.
There is nothing wrong with a conservative outlook.
When you’re living in comfort and you benefit from the status quo and you prize stability over the perceived benefits of change, there’s an argument for a conservative outlook.
But I’ve been living under Conservative governance in my home state of Texas for forty years. The pattern of police enforced racial castes, privatization of public institutions, and ecologically unsustainable consumption has been ongoing for my entire life. This is what conservatives are fighting to defend. Misogyny. Supremacy. Homogeneity. A wild imbalance in economic opportunity. Its too late to try and rebrand this as “bad” conservatism.
Trump’s policies are more extreme than what came before, but the impulses remain the same. It is the composition of American elites that has changed.
The maga don’t have a conservative outlook.
The Red Hats are the children of Goldwater/Reagan and they are shepherding Paleoconservative Libertarianism to its logical end game. They were raised to believe in Galt’s Gulch and Friedman’s free market fetishism. They were raised to believe in Evangelical Christianity and Christian Dominionism. They were raised to believe in winning the Cold War at all costs.
And what they’re doing has plenty of historic parallels - from Nixon’s War on Crime to Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback to McKinley’s Jim Crow. They’re White Nationalists embracing White Nationalism, on the belief that the Peace Dividend they reaped in the 90s was a Heavenly Mandate to Do As Thou Wilt. If you carve off all the QAnon cultism and bigotry, what you’ve got are a bunch of Gen X and Y folks who are fighting to preserve the segregation and the implicit international hegemony they enjoyed when the Iron Curtain fell and America was the uncontested global superpower.
It is conservatism in root and branch. A philosophy flailing in the face of a diminished empire to preserve the icons of prosperity their elders once enjoyed.
They don’t know they’re the same picture
Real question, how can someone be conservative while still supporting progress? Doesn’t the entire ideology hinge on things never changing?
Conservatism is as broad of a term as liberalism. That said, there is a brand of conservatism that do support progress, but wants to do so in an incrementalist way, which is basically the Democratic Party now that I think about it.
There’s a continuum between nothing ever changes ever, and through away everything and start again from scratch. In practice, actual little-c conservatives are often called incrementalists, because no one is all the way to one end of the spectrum.
The point here is that Conversatism is not actually a conservative ideology. They actually want to change a lot. In fact, the current administration might be the least conservative one we’ve had. They are much more in the “move fast and break things” camp, which is at the opposite end of the spectrum.
I think what happened with conservative movements, is they tend to adopt genuinely conservative positions. But then as the world changes around them they are conservative in updateing their positions, so end up having a collection of regressive positions.
The actual conservatives in America’s current political environment is the conservative wing of the Democratic party.
If someone becomes a conservative in 1995, they want to conserve the current state of society, no? Since society has progressed to a different state in those 30 years, does that not mean this person would want to regress back to the 1995 version? Conservativism is just delayed regressivism.
Oh hey I’ve met these guys. They’re not well liked by their fellow gays
They’re not well liked.
I think that probably would’ve sufficed. Even the Republicans shun gay Republicans because they don’t want them to exist. Gay Republicans are like the most baffling thing to me. Like a Jewish Nazi.
There were always Jewish Nazis, or at least enablers. They’re called Kapo, which is one of the most insulting words a Jew can call another. When Bergen-Belsen was liberated, the prisoners turned on the Kapos, and lynched 170 of them on the spot.
One of HitlerPig’s closest and most loyal advisors is one: Kapo Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller.
Perhaps we should extend the meaning to include gay Republicans, or at least gay MAGAs.
Gay people can be gullible and naive too. Nobody said they were perfect.
In german we have a word for it: Tja
Which is hard to acuratly translate. Something like:
Well, i told you/them / that was obvious, but nothing you/they can do about it now.
You mean “oh well”
yeah maybe, not sure if it hits the exact conotation
I guess it does
