Apart from China, Hyundai/Kia is producing really great EVs. And the German brands have viable ones that might eventually catch up to Korea and China now that they’re taking it more seriously. Renault is really getting it lately and even Stellantis is coming with new platforms that are pretty good. The Japanese have invested more in anti-EV-propaganda than in EVs.
We have a Hyundai Kona from 2019 and it’s an amazing car. Every single person who ever tried it never wants to drive an ICE again. And this is an old low-to-mid-end vehicle. Our next EV is definitely going to be a lot better.
My only real personal problems with EVs, have nothing to do with them being electric.
Early EVs all looked like science experiments… I’ll give some examples. The Nissan leaf. The BMW i3. And a more recent example is the VW ID.Buzz mini bus thing.
I want a car, not a statement piece, and until recently, Tesla seemed to be the only ones selling EVs that didn’t look dramatically different than other cars on the road. I just want a car. I want it to use volts instead of gasoline.
The second issue I have has more to do with the automobile market than EVs… Everyone seems to have a sport crossover or SUV converted to EV, but very few have just plain sedans, and those that do, a nontrivial number of them violate the first complaint.
I like EVs, I want to drive an EV, but I don’t want it to look like it’s straight out of someone’s LSD trip. That’s just not groovy man … I’m not a fan of SUVs, I just want a small sedan or coupe that’s normal except it uses batteries instead of Jurassic remains.
Well, our Kona is a weird crossover-y thing but otherwise literally identical to its ICE brothers.
Maybe Peugeot, Citroen and similar are what you are after? The new Peugeot 308 electric is pretty “boring” - it’s not an amazing EV but better than what they had before
Unfortunately Peugeot and Citroen are not names I’ve ever seen for cars sold here.
I have, of course, heard of both mentioned at some point, but here in Canada, neither seem to be brands we can buy. I’m not sure why that is, I have never felt the need to look into it.
Our major players are GM, Ford, Honda, Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Kia, and all their subsidiaries (off the top of my head). Not sure if I missed any major ones there… There is of course some more niche companies but they’re not really on my radar, so to speak… I’ve also omitted Tesla on purpose for obvious reasons.
Hyundai only has hybrid sedans, some plug in hybrid, which is better than most, beyond that we’re stuck with mostly SUVs and light trucks as EVs, or whatever designer-looking monstrosity someone wants to release… The story seems to be the same across all major players, to the point where I just kind of gave up the search a few years back, for the most part. Anything I’ve looked up or looked at since seems to follow the same trends.
ICE cars are absolutely changing designs all the time. There are plenty of ICE car designs that I don’t like too.
The difference is that generally there will be a couple of EV designs, but there will be a dozen ICE designs. There’s simply more to pick from on the ICE side. So if I want something that fits a design aesthetic, I have a much better chance to find it as an ICE car than an EV.
I widely considered the model S to be a great EV design for a really long time, though I swore I wouldn’t buy one. Before the whole Elon Musk drama recently, my main reasons were about how they treated after market/used/rebuilt vehicles, owners, and anyone with the gall to dare try to fix their own vehicle… And also the “walled garden” of Tesla. Making it difficult or impossible to get something like a third party charger for home, among a long list of other complaints.
I’ve been aware of the writing on the wall with Tesla for a while, and I reserved judgement for the most part, only committing to not placing myself in that situation, and thinking that anyone who can accept what I will not, does so at their own risk. It brings me no joy to see that I was right on most fronts. They still have some wonderful designs.
Largely, the S stands out… Especially early S models. More recent models started to trend into basically being larger model 3 vehicles; I don’t like a few of the key design features of the model 3. Specifically, I don’t like that you have a barren dashboard. There’s nothing in front of you. The S had a driver information screen that showed all the usual things, like your speed, energy remaining, trip, odometer, etc. All the things that you would expect from an instrument cluster. I wasn’t a HUGE fan of the middle screen for infotainment, but as long as it was limited to noncritical features and infotainment, I’m mostly okay with it (mainly that it has no physical buttons) provided that the critical driving components, features and controls were separate.
I acknowledge that this is entirely a personal preference.
Bluntly, if Tesla as a company wasn’t as exclusionary to other EVs and manufacturers, and treated DIY/used/repair markets fairly, I might already be driving one. Obviously, even if they completely change all of their policies and evict the guy at the top, I’m not going for a Tesla… Even then, I’m pretty on the fence given that they’re burned at this point (aka cancelled).
I’m keeping an eye out for something, I’ll probably stick with the vehicle I have four now unless I can get a great deal on a used PHEV like the Honda clarity (which is now discontinued, RIP). There’s a few oddities about the clarity I don’t like, but on the whole it looks like a solid car. The rear tires being partially covered is odd IMO.
In any case, I can’t really afford to get a new car at this point, maybe late this year things will change on that front, but given the state of the economy, inflation and average earnings, things might get worse too. Financially I have two major events happening around October that might make it possible to buy a new car: we will be able to update our mortgage (hopefully with a lower cost), and I’m on track to pay off a major debt I have. If I have my finances under control and in a good place when both of those happen, then I may start looking around for a vehicle again, provided the economy doesn’t go down the toilet by then.
I don’t have confidence that the economy will be good by then because since I’m in Canada, the United States and their insane commander and chief, can absolutely put our economy into a downward trend.
I’m not putting my money on it being fine. I’m going to get myself into a better position before I reassess.
Regardless, if you’ve read my ramblings this far down, you have my respect. I hope you have a wonderful day, and I look forward to talking with you again in the future on here. Be well.
Apart from China, Hyundai/Kia is producing really great EVs. And the German brands have viable ones that might eventually catch up to Korea and China now that they’re taking it more seriously. Renault is really getting it lately and even Stellantis is coming with new platforms that are pretty good. The Japanese have invested more in anti-EV-propaganda than in EVs.
We have a Hyundai Kona from 2019 and it’s an amazing car. Every single person who ever tried it never wants to drive an ICE again. And this is an old low-to-mid-end vehicle. Our next EV is definitely going to be a lot better.
My only real personal problems with EVs, have nothing to do with them being electric.
Early EVs all looked like science experiments… I’ll give some examples. The Nissan leaf. The BMW i3. And a more recent example is the VW ID.Buzz mini bus thing.
I want a car, not a statement piece, and until recently, Tesla seemed to be the only ones selling EVs that didn’t look dramatically different than other cars on the road. I just want a car. I want it to use volts instead of gasoline.
The second issue I have has more to do with the automobile market than EVs… Everyone seems to have a sport crossover or SUV converted to EV, but very few have just plain sedans, and those that do, a nontrivial number of them violate the first complaint.
I like EVs, I want to drive an EV, but I don’t want it to look like it’s straight out of someone’s LSD trip. That’s just not groovy man … I’m not a fan of SUVs, I just want a small sedan or coupe that’s normal except it uses batteries instead of Jurassic remains.
Well, our Kona is a weird crossover-y thing but otherwise literally identical to its ICE brothers.
Maybe Peugeot, Citroen and similar are what you are after? The new Peugeot 308 electric is pretty “boring” - it’s not an amazing EV but better than what they had before
Unfortunately Peugeot and Citroen are not names I’ve ever seen for cars sold here.
I have, of course, heard of both mentioned at some point, but here in Canada, neither seem to be brands we can buy. I’m not sure why that is, I have never felt the need to look into it.
Our major players are GM, Ford, Honda, Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Kia, and all their subsidiaries (off the top of my head). Not sure if I missed any major ones there… There is of course some more niche companies but they’re not really on my radar, so to speak… I’ve also omitted Tesla on purpose for obvious reasons.
Hyundai only has hybrid sedans, some plug in hybrid, which is better than most, beyond that we’re stuck with mostly SUVs and light trucks as EVs, or whatever designer-looking monstrosity someone wants to release… The story seems to be the same across all major players, to the point where I just kind of gave up the search a few years back, for the most part. Anything I’ve looked up or looked at since seems to follow the same trends.
Did you see the Hyundai Ioniq 6? Or the very new Kia EV4? They look very “modern” but then again I’d say ICE cars are constantly changing design too.
ICE cars are absolutely changing designs all the time. There are plenty of ICE car designs that I don’t like too.
The difference is that generally there will be a couple of EV designs, but there will be a dozen ICE designs. There’s simply more to pick from on the ICE side. So if I want something that fits a design aesthetic, I have a much better chance to find it as an ICE car than an EV.
I widely considered the model S to be a great EV design for a really long time, though I swore I wouldn’t buy one. Before the whole Elon Musk drama recently, my main reasons were about how they treated after market/used/rebuilt vehicles, owners, and anyone with the gall to dare try to fix their own vehicle… And also the “walled garden” of Tesla. Making it difficult or impossible to get something like a third party charger for home, among a long list of other complaints.
I’ve been aware of the writing on the wall with Tesla for a while, and I reserved judgement for the most part, only committing to not placing myself in that situation, and thinking that anyone who can accept what I will not, does so at their own risk. It brings me no joy to see that I was right on most fronts. They still have some wonderful designs.
Largely, the S stands out… Especially early S models. More recent models started to trend into basically being larger model 3 vehicles; I don’t like a few of the key design features of the model 3. Specifically, I don’t like that you have a barren dashboard. There’s nothing in front of you. The S had a driver information screen that showed all the usual things, like your speed, energy remaining, trip, odometer, etc. All the things that you would expect from an instrument cluster. I wasn’t a HUGE fan of the middle screen for infotainment, but as long as it was limited to noncritical features and infotainment, I’m mostly okay with it (mainly that it has no physical buttons) provided that the critical driving components, features and controls were separate.
I acknowledge that this is entirely a personal preference.
Bluntly, if Tesla as a company wasn’t as exclusionary to other EVs and manufacturers, and treated DIY/used/repair markets fairly, I might already be driving one. Obviously, even if they completely change all of their policies and evict the guy at the top, I’m not going for a Tesla… Even then, I’m pretty on the fence given that they’re burned at this point (aka cancelled).
I’m keeping an eye out for something, I’ll probably stick with the vehicle I have four now unless I can get a great deal on a used PHEV like the Honda clarity (which is now discontinued, RIP). There’s a few oddities about the clarity I don’t like, but on the whole it looks like a solid car. The rear tires being partially covered is odd IMO.
In any case, I can’t really afford to get a new car at this point, maybe late this year things will change on that front, but given the state of the economy, inflation and average earnings, things might get worse too. Financially I have two major events happening around October that might make it possible to buy a new car: we will be able to update our mortgage (hopefully with a lower cost), and I’m on track to pay off a major debt I have. If I have my finances under control and in a good place when both of those happen, then I may start looking around for a vehicle again, provided the economy doesn’t go down the toilet by then.
I don’t have confidence that the economy will be good by then because since I’m in Canada, the United States and their insane commander and chief, can absolutely put our economy into a downward trend.
I’m not putting my money on it being fine. I’m going to get myself into a better position before I reassess.
Regardless, if you’ve read my ramblings this far down, you have my respect. I hope you have a wonderful day, and I look forward to talking with you again in the future on here. Be well.