• 01011@monero.town
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    Any religion that looks to spread is going to use “us vs them” hatred and eventually violence to get their message across.

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    Who would determine which religions are hateful and which aren’t? How would this be enforced?

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    I think anything is fine as long as they’re not hurting anyone. So if their hate is confined to themselves idc.

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      What if their hate is confined to their children, is that fine too?

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      but confined hate eventually spreads once it gains a significant following. so why allow it in the first place?

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        How do you disallow it? Preventing people from practicing a religion would require a system so draconian that the drawbacks would far outweigh any possible benefit.

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          By citing authentic sources from their scriptures and other data in court then use that to justify passing the law to ban the books and places of worship. before that group grows in significant number. The remaining that try to defy the law get fined or at the most severe punishment get sent to rehabilitation centers. (but not like chinese way where they use physical and mental abuse)

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            I’m a Satanist, so I’m 100% not going to support something like this, as I know that my religion would be the first on the chopping block. We already have to fight in court for our rights; this would just make it even worse.

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              i don’t think you should worry, because satanism does not preach hate or intolerance for the tolerant.

              i am talking about religions that don’t obey tolerance for the tolerant principle.

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            Pretty much every religion has been persecuted that way somewhere in history …. Unless that’s your point

            Also, just like any segment of society, every religion will be mostly moderate but with its share of zealots

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          Religions are irrationally unjustified. and irrationally unjustified hate is a danger to democracy and other people.

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    In order to preserve tolerance, we must be intolerant to the intolerant. Give plaforms to the hateful religion, and the next thing they’ll do is to play victim whenever they’re being criticized for being intolerant.

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    We did just have an interesting experiment in free speech over the last few years, and it’s still not clear where it ends up.

    In the US there’s a carveout where online providers are not liable for what their users say, as long as the platform is free and open. However as the current craziness started breaking out, they did start moderating more, preventing at least some false info and at least some calls to endanger public safety. However, are they still not liable, now that they actively participate in what is allowed on their systems? Where should the line be drawn between false and endangering vs free speech, in what people use social media for? When it was just the village idiot spewing hate and violence, we could mostly ignore them, but what about when they have global reach, connect with other village idiots, actually instigate violence?