FOSS doesn’t mean uncensored. I would consider myself left, but I am against the prevailing opinion against free speech. If you ban or censor people for having opposing opinions, then you hinder social progress and free discourse. Disallowing people to express their opinions means their opinion doesn’t get challenged. If you want to change people’s minds to agree with you, you have to let them freely express their current opinions without undue consequences such as censorship, banning, or job loss.
It is extremely weird to me how many people I talk to on the left that are totally fine with doing away with free speech. I’m glad there are people like you that still exist. Sadly you appear to be a fairly small minority on the left…well at least on this site and most of the internet. Seems moderate lefts either don’t speak up or don’t use social media much for some reason.
I have tried explaining why echo chambers and shutting down anyone you disagree with is bad so many times and you just get downvoted for saying that around here which is nuts. Most of these people seem to WANT to be in an echo chamber. Very concerning.
The right to free speech enshrined in the constitution means the government and its courts can’t silence you. That’s it. That’s all. It doesn’t mean you can say the N word without social consequences. Or the F slur. Which I’m sure is the only speech you care about being free.
The right to free speech doesn’t mean people have to like you when you say shitty things. It doesn’t mean people have to placate you or believe you when you spout obvious falsehoods.
That’s all this “muh free speech” bullshit is. I hear it at work from gen x blue collar guys all the time. “My daughter won’t talk to me because she’s been brainwashed by social Marxism” lol no, your daughter won’t talk to you because you’re a racist, homophobic, misogynistic douchebag.
**You have a right to speak, you have no fucking right whatsoever to be heard or given a fuck about. **
Why do you chucklefucks always assume that anyone who says they believe in free speech must want to call people slurs.
I believe that a person should legally be allowed to say whatever they want. You cannot start picking and choosing what counts as free speech or not so yes unfortunately that means words you don’t like are included. And yes as you pointed out freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences.
The blue collar dad that wants to misgender trans people all day cannot be LEGALLY punished the same way I don’t think anyone should be punished for speaking out however much they wish about whatever politicians or political powers they disagree with. Family and society can shun them, but the government cannot legally punish them for expressing their opinions no matter how much you dislike them. Because even though you can’t imagine it right now for some reason YOU might be the person who is standing their ground and saying what they believe in, but now your ideals are illegal so sorry jail time for you. You got rid of freedom of speech and now the powers that be have flipped so you’re opinions are illegal.
I do not understand why this line of thinking is so difficult for some people to wrap their minds around. In China you cannot speak out against Xi Jinping. You can’t even mention certain atrocious their government has committed like tiananmen square. THAT is the consequence of not having free free speech.
I’m literally fighting or your right to be able to speak out against anyone you feel morally obligated to do so regardless if I agree with you or not. I cannot understand how you would want to take that away from yourself.
lol you complete ass clown, you basically just parroted what I fucking said. You have legal protection from prosecution, that’s it. Nothing else. No social contract stating the rest of us have to tolerate you or not ridicule you, downvote you, block you. Social media platforms are not the federal or state or local government. They don’t owe you shit, there is no bill of facebook bigot protection.
Nothing has happened to that freedom. Youve had it the whole time and still do. And yet, here you are drawing false equivalence. You aren’t fighting for shit, you howling into the void about people not liking your opinions because they’re trash opinions.
You’re angry about getting downvoted for right-speak like it’s a fucking federal indictment.
Are you part of the old left, or old school left, that is against corporations, whether it’s being against Google, being against pharmacudical companies, being anti-war, and for free speech? I’m honestly asking, I think that’s what the old left was. Today’s left demands for a totalitarian tyrant to rule the planet.
I think that everyone just by dint of existing should be given what they need to survive and be comfortable by the people who are lucky enough to be able to provide it without detriment to themselves. If they don’t do it voluntarily, I also support the democratically elected government intervening to redistribute resources from the 1% to the lower class, and for the government to provide public services in general, such as free public transport, education, medical care. I also support respecting all people regardless of any characteristics of themself which they didn’t choose and can’t change, and accommodating changes in behaviour which, within reason, make them more comfortable. Also, don’t torment and eat non human animals which can’t consent and feel pain.
And above all, I support people’s right to freely disagree with me, and have discussions, without the danger of groupthink/hivemind-like censorship which only serves to reinforce peoples own biases.
If that’s what you think as a leftist, I can happily live with you while disagree. On several things, I think I would disagree with you on policy but I would agree with you about the principal. Some other things, we would have to disagree and simply leave it at that, but there would not be any kind of animosity or hostility.
I routinely have my accounts deleted because there is no statement I won’t challenge or counter even if it means rejecting a person and condemning them but I won’t do name calling and pointlessly insulting.
I agree. I just think the FOSS community should take censorship more seriously. Have you also noticed that all posts in this community are down-voted? I think that’s strange.
This one made it to All, I think that might influence it as many people probably instinctively downvote any post they see in a ‘conservative’ community. Downvoting is free speech though, at least it’s not censoring it. Just know that I upvoted it.
FOSS doesn’t mean uncensored. I would consider myself left, but I am against the prevailing opinion against free speech. If you ban or censor people for having opposing opinions, then you hinder social progress and free discourse. Disallowing people to express their opinions means their opinion doesn’t get challenged. If you want to change people’s minds to agree with you, you have to let them freely express their current opinions without undue consequences such as censorship, banning, or job loss.
It is extremely weird to me how many people I talk to on the left that are totally fine with doing away with free speech. I’m glad there are people like you that still exist. Sadly you appear to be a fairly small minority on the left…well at least on this site and most of the internet. Seems moderate lefts either don’t speak up or don’t use social media much for some reason.
I have tried explaining why echo chambers and shutting down anyone you disagree with is bad so many times and you just get downvoted for saying that around here which is nuts. Most of these people seem to WANT to be in an echo chamber. Very concerning.
The right to free speech enshrined in the constitution means the government and its courts can’t silence you. That’s it. That’s all. It doesn’t mean you can say the N word without social consequences. Or the F slur. Which I’m sure is the only speech you care about being free.
The right to free speech doesn’t mean people have to like you when you say shitty things. It doesn’t mean people have to placate you or believe you when you spout obvious falsehoods.
That’s all this “muh free speech” bullshit is. I hear it at work from gen x blue collar guys all the time. “My daughter won’t talk to me because she’s been brainwashed by social Marxism” lol no, your daughter won’t talk to you because you’re a racist, homophobic, misogynistic douchebag.
**You have a right to speak, you have no fucking right whatsoever to be heard or given a fuck about. **
Why do you chucklefucks always assume that anyone who says they believe in free speech must want to call people slurs.
I believe that a person should legally be allowed to say whatever they want. You cannot start picking and choosing what counts as free speech or not so yes unfortunately that means words you don’t like are included. And yes as you pointed out freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences.
The blue collar dad that wants to misgender trans people all day cannot be LEGALLY punished the same way I don’t think anyone should be punished for speaking out however much they wish about whatever politicians or political powers they disagree with. Family and society can shun them, but the government cannot legally punish them for expressing their opinions no matter how much you dislike them. Because even though you can’t imagine it right now for some reason YOU might be the person who is standing their ground and saying what they believe in, but now your ideals are illegal so sorry jail time for you. You got rid of freedom of speech and now the powers that be have flipped so you’re opinions are illegal.
I do not understand why this line of thinking is so difficult for some people to wrap their minds around. In China you cannot speak out against Xi Jinping. You can’t even mention certain atrocious their government has committed like tiananmen square. THAT is the consequence of not having free free speech.
I’m literally fighting or your right to be able to speak out against anyone you feel morally obligated to do so regardless if I agree with you or not. I cannot understand how you would want to take that away from yourself.
lol you complete ass clown, you basically just parroted what I fucking said. You have legal protection from prosecution, that’s it. Nothing else. No social contract stating the rest of us have to tolerate you or not ridicule you, downvote you, block you. Social media platforms are not the federal or state or local government. They don’t owe you shit, there is no bill of facebook bigot protection.
Nothing has happened to that freedom. Youve had it the whole time and still do. And yet, here you are drawing false equivalence. You aren’t fighting for shit, you howling into the void about people not liking your opinions because they’re trash opinions.
You’re angry about getting downvoted for right-speak like it’s a fucking federal indictment.
You’re not the brightest sandwich in the toolshed are you.
Are you part of the old left, or old school left, that is against corporations, whether it’s being against Google, being against pharmacudical companies, being anti-war, and for free speech? I’m honestly asking, I think that’s what the old left was. Today’s left demands for a totalitarian tyrant to rule the planet.
I think that everyone just by dint of existing should be given what they need to survive and be comfortable by the people who are lucky enough to be able to provide it without detriment to themselves. If they don’t do it voluntarily, I also support the democratically elected government intervening to redistribute resources from the 1% to the lower class, and for the government to provide public services in general, such as free public transport, education, medical care. I also support respecting all people regardless of any characteristics of themself which they didn’t choose and can’t change, and accommodating changes in behaviour which, within reason, make them more comfortable. Also, don’t torment and eat non human animals which can’t consent and feel pain.
And above all, I support people’s right to freely disagree with me, and have discussions, without the danger of groupthink/hivemind-like censorship which only serves to reinforce peoples own biases.
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If that’s what you think as a leftist, I can happily live with you while disagree. On several things, I think I would disagree with you on policy but I would agree with you about the principal. Some other things, we would have to disagree and simply leave it at that, but there would not be any kind of animosity or hostility.
Also based. We need more people like the two of you around here.
I routinely have my accounts deleted because there is no statement I won’t challenge or counter even if it means rejecting a person and condemning them but I won’t do name calling and pointlessly insulting.
I agree. I just think the FOSS community should take censorship more seriously. Have you also noticed that all posts in this community are down-voted? I think that’s strange.
This one made it to All, I think that might influence it as many people probably instinctively downvote any post they see in a ‘conservative’ community. Downvoting is free speech though, at least it’s not censoring it. Just know that I upvoted it.
Doesn’t downvoting hide the post? Isn’t that kind of censoring?
It doesnt. This post is on All. Everyone is seeing it.