... you're posting a podcast titled "CitationS Needed" that's clearly trying to pass its self off as famous YouTuber Tom Scott's "Citation Needed" (no plural) and it features Trump supporter, Glenn Greenwald (his fall from grace and later support of Trump is well documented, up there with Michael Moore, and Matt Tabili).

https://link.motherjones.com/public/35592388

It's pretty sad that this is your idea of media literacy - name swapped podcasts and deadbeat Trump supporters.

Who did I present as evidence again? A small news agency known as Reuters? ...and your idea of media litteracy is - a podcast pretending to be a more famous podcast.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

… you’re posting a podcast titled “CitationS Needed” that’s clearly trying to pass its self off as famous YouTuber Tom Scott’s “Citation Needed” (no plural

This amounts to a conspiracy theory. It's a completely different kind of format and the hosts introduce themselves up front. If it's a knock-off, it's not a very effortful one. You'd probably have an easier time saying they stole the name, because it's a very good name.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Sorry, not everyone is willing to take: Random guy said it on a podcast, (or defender of Trump said it on a podcast cast) as a source worth listening to for trusted reporting.

Not to mention the rudeness of just assigning someone a podcast in an online discussion, or the fact the podcast had no relevance to the topic of whether Australian universities are self-censoring due to reasons of; Capitalist exchange.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Whether the podcast is relevant or not has nothing to do with what I said. Whether it is credible or not has nothing to do with what I said. Whether you are justified in feeling offended over it? Nothing to do with what I said.

For my own mental health I'm going to just not take the bait which is that parenthetical. Instead, I would like to focus on how "I refuse to listen to even two minutes of this podcast because I don't like its pedigree" is not actually a go-ahead to blindly presume things about it like the conspiracy theory I initially pointed out. You can refuse to listen to it, that's fine, but that puts you in a position of lacking a lot of information for making assertions about it. What that means is that what you can do is ignore it, or say you don't want to engage with it for such and such a reason that you actually have good reason to believe and then leave it there. That's how epistemology works.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Good job making up a quote, then knocking it down. You should totally spend your life energy getting into tangential argument that only you give a shit about.

...but maybe write 3 paragraphs next time.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I was directly quoting you and anyone can see the quoted section by going like three up this comment chain, what are you on about?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Okay, stay confidently incorrect in the Five Eyes corporate media bubble then 👍

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reason: Rule 2

Good luck with that, @Zagorath@aussie.zone

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yup. Clear violation of the rules.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

“I’m in this photo and I don’t like it.”

How’s the evidence gathering going? [1][2][3][4]

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone -1 points 2 weeks ago

You'll note I did not report comments I merely disagreed with. I reported the ones where you were clearly violating your own instance's rules by failing to be respectful with your interlocutor.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone -1 points 2 weeks ago

As for all those links. Absolutely irrelevant to the conversation at hand, which is about you violating instance-wide rules about respect.

[+] DarkCloud@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world -5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I know right, the cowardly mods on .ml just nuked my comment because they can't handle that perspective... I didn't swear at you (and you know this), I didn't aim to be insulting - it's just indicative of the fragility of the marxist left today when it comes to discourse they can't combat, compute, and have no reasonable response to.

Users have to be protected because apparently they need to be kept in a state of false consciousness for a Marxist left to continue. Which as Marxists you should all be worried about (it hints at an issue with Marxist party politics). But you lot may well not understand what I've said.

Good luck having your eyes protected for purely ideological reasons.... And good Marxists should know - he wasn't a huge fan of ideology or respecting it as causal or desirable.

He was very practical, hence concrete historical materialism.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

And good Marxists should know - he wasn’t a huge fan of ideology or respecting it as causal or desirable.

He was very practical, hence concrete historical materialism.

This is what happens when you don't read Marx and just sort of assume what Marx said based on a literal interpretation of his ideological labels.

Marx was not, like liberals, laboring under the delusion that ideology is something that can simply be escaped. Paraphrasing Zizek (who I hate, but he has some good points), it is when you believe that you are free of ideology that you are most firmly under ideological control, because in such circumstances ideology is necessarily acting on you without your awareness of it. To be aware of your ideology allows you to engage with it and modify it and so on.

He also recognized, like anyone who spends a few seconds thinking about what would become sociology (it wasn't really around in his time) that ideology does cause things. His distinction is that ideology is superstructural, it was an abstract product of the concrete base that is material conditions, but the two of them exist in a dialectical relationship with each other. Any base will produce a superstructure so long as that base has people who relate to each other, and this superstructure, in essence, is ideology.

What Marx hated with respect to ideology, and this is the closest you are to being even superficially right, is the idea that was and is popular among liberals (and others, such as utopian socialists) that ideology alone is enough to transform the world, that it acts independently of material circumstances and people will just freely be moved by what is "right" in a completely absolute sense irrespective of their historical or current conditions. Again, these things have a dialectical relationship, and the superstructure cannot fly freely, unbounded by the base, any more than the base can fly freely (by human hands) when the superstructure stays in place. They will only make progress in the context of each other.

Edit: For the sake of being more complete, I will say more explicitly that the base has primacy, which is why the superstructure comes from it -- there can be no culture in out in space where no one is. It has primacy and its change -- e.g. by scientific inventions -- tends to drag the superstructure along with it, but those inventions are only created thanks to the superstructural elements of preserved and transmitted knowledge and the desire to, for example, develop production.

It's very difficult to talk about dialectics because I often want to address both sides simultaneously even though it can't really be done.