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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

All I've read is that he generally wasn't well liked by any group of the citizenry of Iran

I don't know where you've read that but i think you're about to find out that that was a lie when you see the size of the crowds that will come out to mourn him.

Edit: And as i predicted: "Millions of Iranians rallied across the country to pay their final respects to the late President Raisi."

[–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It was pretty recently after the crash so I'm willing to believe it could be sensationalism

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I just want you to take a look at who else is happy that these people have died and consider if that is the same side that you want to be on.

[–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 0 points 5 months ago

Again, not saying I'm happy about it

[–] sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The crowd? You mean the conservative basijis? Literally everyone I have been interacting with has been happy

Or some people are mourning the other dudes that died, because it wasn't just Raisi, the councilman of east Azerbaijan province also died amongst others

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I just don't understand what there is to be happy about. Who exactly are these people that you "have been interacting with" and what do they think that this will achieve?

[–] sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This won't achieve anything, but people generally disliked him and so are happy he's gone

I'm personally happy I don't have to endure the rest of his term and a possible second term (although very unlikely), he was useless at best and had bad policy at worst

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Thing is, being martyred in the line of duty tends to increase public sympathy for a figure. So even if you didn't like him, you don't objectively stand to gain anything from a tragedy like this. Whatever he may have done wrong will now be overshadowed. The pertinent question now is, do you believe that his successor will be more to your liking or less?

And regardless what you think of him or his party, any destabilization is risky at a time when a country is at war, and Iran frankly is at war and has been since the Islamic revolution. It may not always be openly declared but hybrid economic war and war waged through terrorist proxies is still war.

I understand that he may not have been the most impressive figure or had the best policies, but when enemies of Iran are openly celebrating you just need to ask yourself why that is and whether you want to find yourself on that same side.

Personally i'm not Iranian so i didn't have any emotional attachment to these people one way or another, but i just find it distasteful for a leftist to be happy over the death of major political figures in an anti-imperialist government.

[–] sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He was just a political front man for his party. I would be genuinely shocked if any of Iran's policies came from him.

You want to know where Iran's policies come from? Their party, the generals, Khamenei and the Sepah (IRGC).

Raisi dying is a nothingburger. If Rouhani had died, that would be huge news. If Khamenei dies, we will have a huge upheaval.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

He was just a political front man for his party. [...] Raisi dying is a nothingburger.

In that case there is no reason to be happy since his death is so inconsequential, yes?

Now obviously not everyone agrees with this. A lot of Iranians and people from other countries (those friendly to Iran at least) who have interacted with the former president (or his FM who also passed away) appear to have a different view than you, or at least that's what they say in public.

But one thing that i hope we can agree on is that what matters now is that the country has a smooth transition into the next administration with as little opportunity as possible for the enemies of Iran to interfere with the election process or to create chaos and unrest. And i hope that the state apparatus is prepared to fend off the hybrid attacks that will undoubtedly come during this transition period, since i am certain that the CIA has already put plans into motion to cause mischief as soon as the news broke.