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More than 100,000 protest across Germany over far-right AfD’s mass deportation meetings
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 21 Jan 2024
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With all the current negative articles about the political and economic situation in Germany, I think it's also important to remember to share the positive ones. Although that's not to say there aren't worrisome things going on here.
There's another article from this morning here, it might give you a more complete picture of what's happening: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/21/germany-afd-party-deportation-masterplan-protests
There are more protests happening across the country today, the one in Berlin is at 4 pm at Brandenburger Tor. See you there.
There are protests all over Germany, Friday, Saturday and today. Everywhere.
See you there! We'll need the spirit. (And it will be fun with bands playing)
Okay, so I finally googled it. Theyre angry because the AFD is anti-Islamic terrorism, anti-EU and pro-German?
Man, I must be missing some translation here or maybe some context, because that all sounds like reasonable things.
Recently a group of journalists revealed that the AfD had a secret meeting with far-right extremist groups and neo-nazis where they made mass deportation plans for people with a migration background (even those born here with German nationality) which includes millions of people. That's what sparked the protests.
And the AfD is far more than anti islamic terrorism, they're hardcore islamophobic, antisemitic, queerphobic and ultranationalist. There's a reason one of their most prominent figures, Björn Höcke, is legally allowed to be called a fascist and a nazi.
The AfD is considered far right Nazis, did they have a meeting with themselves?
Im not seeing anything remotly anti-semitic on wikipedia, but I havent exactly put in the research time yet.
To be perfectly clear:
You acknowledge them as far right Nazis... and see nothing wrong with that?
I acknowledge that they get called Nazis, not that they are Nazis. There is a difference.
The part either you or the sources you read are leaving out is that they are also anti-democratic and not just anti-Islamic terrorism but also anti-Islam. Or more precisely just generally racist.
You either read sources that fell for their bullshit downplaying self-description or you are actively trying to play down their harmful views yourself.
I just skimmed wikipedia's policies section
And skimmed right past the parts where it says they are also climate change deniers, pro-Russia, anti-Muslim, nationalistic, anti-LGBTQ, anti-feminist and this part
?
Maybe you should scroll a bit slower next time.
Yeah, probably. I should've put a little more time into it before commenting.
TBH, I have very little knowledge on Germany's political scene, I only ever really hear about AfD and how Germany's hate speech laws are abused. Also the Volkswagen emissions scandal. Kind of an irrelevant country at this point, they can't even meet their NATO obligations.
So your knowledge of Germany consists in large parts of some populist talking points and yet you jumped at the first opportunity to defend an extremely right-wing party and downplay their policies. That's... a choice.
Nah, the AfD keeps coming up, I figured I should be somewhat informed. When I got confused, I asked a question.
And being real, lemmy is rad left. When I hear Nazi, I think "Ah, someone disagreed with an asshole", and I don't think "Hitler".
These are some of people that are currently protesting:
Source for the image is Germany's protestant church:
https://www.domradio.de/artikel/evangelische-geistliche-rufen-zur-teilnahme-demos-auf
This really is about Nazis and not just about an asshole.
What the hell are you talking about?
2% of the gdp on defense, perhaps?
That was agreed on for this year, which has only just begun!
Let's wait another year at least, when this year's numbers are published, ok?
That's more than obvious.
No it was agreed on in the beginning. It's only being enforced now.
Address to chancellor Scholz from NATO General Secretary Stoltenberg, June of last year: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_216079.htm
2% as a bottom line was agreed on during a summit in Vilnius
Maybe you belief German Jews than:
https://eurojewcong.org/news/communities-news/germany/central-council-of-jews-in-germany-concerned-about-the-rise-of-far-right-party-afd/
Stop making broad claims just because you read one article on Wikipedia.
Do you really belief such protests on an unprecedented scale are happening all over Germany (my country) because the AfD doesn't like terrorists?
Yeah, probably. I should’ve put a little more time into it before commenting.
TBH, I have very little knowledge on Germany’s political scene, I only ever really hear about AfD and how Germany’s hate speech laws are abused. Also the Volkswagen emissions scandal.
I'm basing my judgement off of some Americans protesting for Hamas, thinking that protestors are sometimes really stupid.
And the next lie ... Really, either stop posting or check your sources. That's (far-right) bullshit.
Germany is not the USA. That some Americans are protesting for Hamas has nothing to do with Germany.
Edit:
BTW, in Bremen 40,000 protested today. In Cologne another 70,000 protested. In Munich the protest had to be stopped after after more than 100.0000 (conservative estimate) people came together before the protest even started. And that are only some cities where protests are happening today. There are (peaceful) protests every day all over Germany and protests continue.
Humans are human. There are dumb people everywhere, I'm one of them sometimes. Get a few of them together, get a circlejerk going, you can get protests for absurd things.
And you can protest for the right thing. E.g for democracy, freedom and against racism and autocracy.
The majority of those who are protesting are normal people. Even the catholic and protestant churches have called to attend the protests.
https://www.domradio.de/artikel/evangelische-geistliche-rufen-zur-teilnahme-demos-auf
https://www.katholisch.de/artikel/50495-erzbischof-hesse-an-demos-gegen-rechtsextremismus-teilnehmen
https://www.vaticannews.va/de/kirche/news/2024-01/bischoefe-appell-demokratie-deutscshland-osten-afd-extremismus.html
Hundreds of thousand of people are protesting every day. This is not a protest by some fringe groups. This is a mass protests by ordinary citizens because our freedoms and our democracy is under attack.
What have you heard about hate speech laws being abused?
I'm german and haven't heard much
Are you a tabloid reader by any chance?
Not habitually, but sometimes a tabloid has something super stupid that catches my eye.
They literally want to deport non ethnic citizens. Also, anti-EU and pro-Germany is an oxymoron. Germany is one of the biggest economic profiteers of the European Union and shared currency.