Whether you like it or not they don’t see your vote as an endorsement of the marginal differences, they see it as an endrosement of everything they’re doing, including that genocide thats going on.

Why don’t you care about any of the people in America?

As a disabled person living off federal benefits, with a transgender girlfriend living in a red state, I’m literally got skin in the game personally, so don’t tell me that I don’t care about people living in America. The problem is there is an active genocide going on and the Biden adminstration, including Kamala, are supporting it.

If you think the parties are the same on foreign policy but the Democrats are better on all the thing I mentioned, doesn’t that still mean the Democrats are less terrible?

I dont think they are materially better on the things you mentioned on the federal level as I mentioned in another post. The best they’ve done is nice sounding words. Another thing you forgot to mention btw is immigration, on which Biden has somehow managed to be materailly worse than Trump lmao. So theres that too.

and I would very much like to have an option that wasn’t, but I don’t, do I? I have to chose between the options given, and as bad as they are they’re clearly the less bad option.

You have options that aren’t that and they all involve doing literally any political thing other than voting. I literally don’t care if you decide to vote for Kamala, especially if you live in a swing state. Just please, god, take your eye off electorialism because it won’t save us.

outlaw trans people

What, materially, other than nice sounding words, has Biden and federal-level Democrats in general done to counteract what is happening to trans people in red states right now? What indication is there that Democrats care to do anything for trans people on a federal level? On the state level, sure, there’s been some action to make blue states sanctuary states and such, but federally?

abortion, birth control,

Again, what have Biden and the federal level Democrats done about this? Did they codify Roe while they had the chance? Did they pack the courts so Roe couldn’t be overturned? Did they build abortion clinics on Federal land? Or did they just, yet again, say nice words?

end unions

Biden literally broke a strike lmao. Personally, by his own hands. One of the few proactive things he has done in his whole presidency is to actively break a strike.

end democracy

We already don’t live in a democracy. Youre choice is between outright facism and pretty damn close to fascism, and in most places in the country you dont even get to contribute to that choice.

and otherwise just be totally as bad as Republicans

On forgein policy and economics? Yeah pretty much. On social issues? Democrats will say nice words but, again at least federally, not materially do anything.

Roe v. Wade certainly would have still been overturned if the election in 2016 had gone the other way, too, right?

2016 is in the past and you learned the wrong lesson from it. 2016 taught us that running a shitty milquetoast war criminal neoliberal candidate that noone other than wine moms likes against fascism (and pied pipering him as the nominee because you think you can beat him in the process btw!!!) doesn’t work. And again, both Obama and Biden could have codified Roe and didn’t. And Biden could have packed the courts to prevent the overturn.

All in all, electorialism won’t save us. And the violent solutions you wanted to avoid in your first post are actually our only way out of this mess. But they need to be organized.

I think the thing that most impresses me about this post is how you just completely neglected to mention forgein policy in your list of things like at all. The Democrats and Republicans being the same regarding supporting the US Empire (besides one side or the other pretending to be anti-war while being in the opposition sometimes, but not following through on that once in power) is a huge factor here lol. Really shows your priorities and that you just do not give a single shit about the global south.

The Democrats literally gave a standing ovation to Netanyahoo a couple of days ago,

Err, I mean, I’m on your side in the overall here and think the lemme moron youre arguing with is an idiot. But roughly half of congressional Democrats were not even at the speech, so just saying lets keep our counterpoints in the realm of what actually happened. To be clear, pretty much all the skips announced reasons that were pretty weaksauce so I’m not particularly impressed by most of them. But still, the congressional Democrats did not, as a group, all give a standing ovation to Netanyahu. Thats just inaccurate to say.

Damn Real Life has some very difficult achievements. This is not a game for completionists. They really need to make it more accessible.

Sources on one particular point I recently gathered, which is the peace deals being offered by the Russian side: https://archive.ph/9BVwS https://archive.ph/LrOtO

One of these is really complicated

Its not complicated

The Ukraine War is actually the more complicated and nuanced one. So its incredible every time to see people come here and get that backwards.

I’d still much rather be there than here lol. (Been talking to a friend about escaping to them).

You dont even have to like Xi to think racism against Chinese using his face is bad. Its like respecting Ezra Miller’s pronouns. It doesnt matter what you think of the person, bigotry isnt ok.

Also this post is literally defending racism with homophobia which is very big brain.

Regarding Xinjiang - Arab League nations have a huge financial interest in staying on China’s good side. I worry that the billions of dollars of investment creates a conflict of interest. It makes it difficult to see them as trustworthy in this particular matter.

Its interesting to me that you asked about international investigations, but when they were provided, you found a way to reject it (saying that global south countries are inherently untrustworthy because of financial incentives.)

Like, what you asked for was provided. It was just not from countries that count as “international community” to you.

“I support the revolution that feeds the children”. - Michael Parenti.

Why is the good political news in the United States almost always coming out of Minnesota?

My main thing is the “own the libs” type narrative because I considered myself a liberal. I didn’t want to feel attacked while trying to expand my view. But reading through these I think that’s because Ive always defined myself as a “liberal” but I think I just conflated that word with “left”

A lot of people do this, I used to do this. Its basically the linguistic norm in America. Back when I was an Obama liberal, it was because I thought he supported my social democratic values (Berniecrat, basically) that I held at the time because he was good at pretending he did. And I definitely thought I was “the left” then. I’ve moved left from there since then. But I do absolutely identify with your position and why people saying “dunk on libs” might be offputting to someone who has always thought that liberal meant left. But yeah, by Liberal we mean the original definition of the term, “person who supports capitalism”.

Also, can you explain pbb to me because people were talking about the nuance of it but it just looks like some shitty pig balls to me.

Eehhhhhhh I’m going to disagree that there’s much nuance to this but I dont totally know the history of the emote lol. Maybe someone else does. I think its just something people use to respond to outright fascist opinions (which sometimes, there is an unfortunate crossover between the opinions of a centrist liberal and a fascist, which is where the saying "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds) comes from. But there’s literally a post in our instance right now calling for people to chill a bit on using it and use it only when someone REALLY deserves it.

Also, thank you for keeping an open mind and being willing to learn new things.

OK I went to the front page of hexbear > local and there’s only one thread that says “dunking on libs” and its someone being BORED of that and wanting to just chill. There’s a couple posts in our dunk tank using posts made in other instances as material which I dont think you should have a problem with because it focuses our energy THERE instead. And those were there before federation. The dunk tank is just for anywhere we find opinions we find laughable.

Honestly, the rest is stuff that I’d hope you’d be on board with as a thread, like being mad a black Chik-Fil-A worker was sent home for dying her hair blonde.

I won’t deny that my comrades enjoy “dunking” though. But like, what you said in your original post isn’t that. Its not us having a stated goal of wrecking your site or whatever. Its not a vast conspiracy. You said there was a stated goal and that just doesn’t exist. Is paranoia.

The stated goal please.

I mean yeah thats what they’ve been doing in the global south.

Hey, yaknow what, I think we’re going a little hard on it too actually. Not necessarily with volume of posts. I think anyone can post as much as they want, there just happen to be a lot of us, we’re opinionated, and we were just let out of our cage, and some topics that we happen to have strong opinions on happened to be posted just in time for that, AND then someone posts something like this where they literally ask who we are and what we are doing. I think at the very least you can agree we have a right to respond to this right?

But with some of the aggression and things like pig poop balls. Yeah, I think we’ve probably gone a bit hard on it and I try to engage with a little more good faith.

But I’m still wondering where we stated this “Goal” you said we stated.

Honestly? This is a marked improvement over claiming we’re bots. I’ll take it.