don’t forget

you’re so valid for that to be honest, most explanations of the difference are made with leftists in mind, and very few liberals know leftism 101 so very few explanations detailing the difference are written with liberals or new leftists in mind (because knowing leftism 101 makes you not want to be a liberal any more lol)

The dividing line between leftists and liberals is most commonly agreed on as who should own the productive apparatus of society - liberals believe that individuals owning the apparatus necessary to sustain life, liberty, and happiness is fine, and leftists believe that the only ethical path forward is to make all of this apparatus collectively owned. The specific nature of this ownership, and how the ownership transfer should go down, varies a lot between anarchists, communists, Marxists, Democratic Socialists, etc., but we all agree that allowing an individual to own a means of production is a recipe for disaster.

hi comrade we love you fr

someone makes a post specifically mentioning us by name slandering us, we refute it, and it’s us brigading?

wild

lemmygrad are our comrades

we personally prefer to keep a pan-leftist policy but an enemy of the bourgeoise is a comrade of ours

our literal entire platform is that the people should work together as much as possible and efforts to divide the people should be met with the harshest punishment

hundreds of thousands of volumes of literature spread across every nation, every language, every race, every gender, every sexuality, spanning centuries, and this is like the one thing we agree on the most

rejectetion of political plurality

use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo

reductions in the rule of law

authoritarianism is characterized by reductions in the rule of law?? what???

separation of powers

and Democratic voting

Which political system do you suggest is more authoritarian than the owner of the largest military in the world, the largest police force in the world, and the largest intelligence (espionage) agency in the world?

Neutral! Neutral between what?

I’m all for some good dunking, but this is the response that most clearly, patiently, and convincingly explains what the deal with Hexbear actually is. OP, we are also humans who have built our opinions on real information, both historical and modern - probably more than 99% of liberals - and you’d benefit as a human and a citizen of the world to make a good faith effort to understand us.

Welc

We did it at hexbear, the changes might make it upstream some day!

more discussion!

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2397

just dug this up!

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2987