Not going to happen, they aren’t going to risk anything for the sake of the plebs, as long as the money keeps rolling, and we aren’t under direct threat of invasion or other annihilation which we’re unlikely to be (though likely even then…), they will maintain whatever relationships they need to.
My jaw literally just dropped reading that.
I knew Lammy, who I used to think very highly of, was slowly shifting to the right when he first backed Starmer for leader, and I’ve seen some other disappointing things from him in the run up to and since the election, but I hadn’t realised just how far gone he is, jfc.
This is what trying to fix an establishment from within looks like - to get in to positions of power, you must assimilate and serve their interests, or get purged.
Shocking enraging, I think is a better fit.
No one asked you to die for anything.
But some of us don’t have the privilege of choosing.
Whatever you imagine my sensibilities to be has nothing to do with it, you don’t get to shift the blame, it’s all on you to pick a side for yourself, and live with that choice.
I had to look it up, the symbol on the flag is of the Crass band and collective
this is how we ended Jim Crow
Yeah, and got whatever shit still remains today, including systemic white supremacy and slavery.
As for the imaginary line between “protest”, “freedom fighting”, and “terrorism”, it is one your oppressor has defined to make sure people like you turn your backs on those actually brave enough to take on them and their system in the only meaningful way there is to oppose it. Maybe consider thinking more critically about the world and who defines its rules for you.
So while we’re bringing up grandparents - I’m going to take my lead from some of my own, who were armed partisans in the Polish forests, and armed fighters in a ghetto rebellion, shooting Nazis because they knew it is the only way to defeat them. (E: and if you’re only ok with people fighting back once they’re in the cage, you have chosen the side of those doing the caging)
Enjoy your sit in, those of us directly in the firing line don’t have time to learn our lessons from the white washed history those who want to suppress us teach.
E: oh, and while we’re here, and since you brought up Jim Crow, maybe consider the words of MLK, and where you fit in on the demanding order over justice scale:
I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
No, the word you’re looking for might be civil disobedience, but there is nothing civil about what I have in mind, nor should there be.
I reserve my civility for those who extend it to me, not for fucking fascists and Nazis who want to kill marginalised people for who we are.
Also, considering how long the Vietnam travesty went on for, and how little, if any, impact the protests against it had, I wouldn’t be so quick to use them as a reference.
Lmfao, sure thing. But hey point proven I guess, so thanks… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Good luck with those two parties, fascist and fascist lite…
Spicy chai with a touch of vanilla flavoured oat milk, I have 2 cups a day at least.
I used to mostly drink regular tea, and also enjoy earl grey, and especially if I’m not feeling well and want to avoid caffeine - jasmine (probably my favourite non-tea tea), chamomile, mint, and a few others, but the chai has beaten all others and become my staple.
You’re really missing the point if you think this is about who a man voted for, and not about a woman not wanting to risk her life because any fuckwad stealthed her or even accidentally got her pregnant. Misogyny and sexual crimes do not follow party lines, they are pervasive throughout society, and the fewer choices women have, the more we will protect ourselves.
wHy WON’t ThESE Women wHO ARe beIng oppRESSeD And HAVInG tHEir rIghts erodeD sUPPort mEn LIke Me WHo aRE tHe rEaL VIcTImS aNd CleArlY so syMPaTHETic tO THEIR cAUSE???!111122345
You are precisely the kind of insidious creep we want to avoid.
You people are some kind of screwed up if you advocate for actively defending yourselves against those murdering people, besides isn’t the left, that I clearly know nothing about as I am about to demonstrate, for gun control?
FTFY, wilfully ignorant fascist enabler.
Lol, I need to be realistic? You’ve got a freshly elected open and proud fascist as president, and an “opposition” that did nothing to stop him since they both serve the same people (hint: it isn’t you), and you still look at the two party system as if it’s some immovable paragon of humane society (when in reality it’s a human made construct designed by those in power to maintain it, and can and should be torn down), and I need to be realistic??? 😂🤯
Here, feel free to challenge your bias and take your own advice, though I won’t be holding my breath:
https://itsgoingdown.org/dont-doom-scroll-organize-how-to-get-active-in-the-current-terrain/
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution
This isn’t defensiveness for myself since I’m not American, or of America, being what it is, but you could say that about pretty much every country in the world, and that’s because capitalism is pretty much decaying globally.
It’s why focusing on superficial “fixes” like a change of administration is a waste of our collective time and energy as the working class, which is exactly what it’s designed to do - keep the public busy and placated with artificial tribalism and an illusion of choice, while those at the top keep collecting and hoarding power and resources.
As long as there is a class of people who benefit from the exploitation of the rest of us, they will do everything in their power to manipulate society to serve them.
It is time to open your eyes to the reality and stop doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
The democrats aren’t there to serve you. They are there to provide an illusion of choice and to help shift the Overton window to the right.
You will never push them to the left because being on the left is antithetical to their purpose and existence.
If this election hasn’t woken you up, what the fuck will?
Will do, and appreciate the info, thanks!
Congratulations on siding with and enabling fascism! 🎉🎉🎉
E: Oh, and just to give you a clue, not that you’d let it penetrate your well maintained wall of wilful ignorance: we aren’t the ones inflicting violence, we are the ones fighting back in self defence. You are the one on the wrong side of history.
Since you can’t bother to formulate an original thought, I won’t bother providing an original reply, here’s a copy pasted one I made earlier:
Lmfao, news flash: it’s already here, has been for a while.
Never mind that never in history has tyranny ever been voted away. To think otherwise you must completely misunderstand what tyranny and fascism are, as well as how the current establishment functions.
Oh wow, wild miss there… 😂 but your group sounds even more like my kind if thing tbf… I hope the counter demo goes well, stay safe, and bash some fash.
I don’t think I’ll end up down south again, but I will try and remember this conversation (I’ve saved it!) and potentially check back to see if you’d know of any local connections wherever it might be or have any advice for finding comrades. I have a lot of my own shit to try and get together, but I really hope that this move whenever it eventually happens will be an opportunity to really build a good local support and affinity network.
So your solution is to starve those already struggling, instead of support them and together taking the fight directly to the employer, or even better, to the political establishment?
That’s a really gross and privileged take. Do the people in your vicinity a favour and don’t eat out, they don’t deserve to have to wait on someone who would rather see them starve before offering any support or even solidarity.
E: I’ve got it now - yours is the liberal version of pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
Yeah, definitely going to do a bit of a deep dive later, they seem fantastic.