SadArtemis [she/her]

Couldn’t agree more to everything you said.

I think a lot of people see it that way, a culture they traded for dollars and a box set of Friends

And when you put it that way, oof. Not white but my parents traded much of theirs off for the bible and that didn’t turn out well (as an understatement). Europe and the west will be spending a long time recovering, or trying to recover, from the “whiteness” they inflicted on themselves.

As someone whose partner is white I think I understand them a bit better seeing your comment as well. For me even if I wasn’t raised in it and reconnecting with it is something I’ll be doing all my life as a result, the identity and pride in it has always been strong (thanks to being a minority- the choice is either pride or shame IMO). I’ve often thought being white and having such easy assimilation must be both a blessing and a curse- but seeing you put it that way makes it sound even more wretched yet.

Wholly agree, but my comment was in regards to the fears of “white replacement/etc” in Europe. Your description of how it was in Yugoslavia is a great example of what true diversity and civilization is supposed to be IMO- in comparison to the western notion of the ethno-state (or white nation-state) and where they reject the end result of people and cultures intermingling (ie. how ridiculous “”“white genocide”“” by… miscegenation, immigration, etc is). Yugoslavia was how it should be, and what I described in my prior comment is how the west divided, conquered, and carved up the nation IMO.

Honestly IMO I think Russia and the BRICS nations could be a step towards the direction where these immigrant populations are more of a boon to their original countries than not. Russia and China in particular are two countries that could be and are doing a hell of a lot to not only export their economic/industrial model (and also collaborate academically, etc) abroad, but also bring people from around the world to see it in action, to see the culture, etc, and develop ties with them firsthand.

People are not just “lost” once they leave, and that this has often been the case is absolutely intentional by the west (destabilization, imperial plunder, etc) making the migrants’ home countries destitute and dangerous in comparison, etc. And the knowledge of development and connections between people can absolutely be exercised for good and the benefit of both nations involved, particularly when they can return to their home countries with the assistance and support in recreating or building upon what they saw abroad (something the west has always interfered in on their part).

Both countries are working extensively with the global south, China with its countless BRI/etc projects and Russia as well in its Soviet history as well as presently with security assistance, debt relief/etc, and even helping build a nuclear power plant in Burkina Faso as one highlight that comes to mind (I’m sure there are others, just haven’t looked into it). There’s no reason that all this training/experience/etc could not be increased with talent coming to these countries to study, or with large student/worker exchanges to really develop a culture of solidarity and multipolarity. And if people wind up staying- particularly those from much less developed or unstable countries- there’s still no reason they cannot be to the benefit of both countries in facilitating increased trade and cooperation, or even returning with Russian/Chinese/BRICS/etc support in due time to further develop their home countries in the end.

IMO while you’re not entirely incorrect, you’re thinking of things n the zero-sum model the west has imposed upon the world- there are other opportunities available, and the Soviet Union’s history of doing similar, or China’s presently (both without the mass immigration bits, though some immigration did and does occur) are examples of it. It’s a more complex and in the short-to-medium-term, more expensive process than the western way of doing things, but I think the end result will be far better for everyone involved.

Agreed, Russia has its golden opportunity to revive and recover at least in part from shock therapy. Now if only they’d take it…

Fingers crossed- admittedly while I of course am on the opposite side of these racists, hopefully someday they shall wake up and find themselves minorities or only minor majorities in their countries. not because it is “racially better/superior,” but because the diminishing of the cores in this aspect can only ever be a good thing and I’m all for it (and karma is hilarious)

Serves them right for having such a weak, pathetic, and completely artificial concept of “”“whiteness”“” which falls into chaos when their cartoonishly strict “phenotype” is deviated from, or when someone is Muslim, etc…

Agreed, when and if the empire falls- particularly depending on the circumstances- I would argue that the entire world, and whatever regimes come next for the west, should see to it that all the various mini-Goebbels (and not-so-mini-Goebbels) are hunted down, rounded up, and tried and hung at Nuremburg. They have the deaths of tens of thousands, sometimes even many millions, on their hands- there can be no forgiveness, and certainly they cannot be left alone, they must answer to their crimes.

I know the spirit once existed (Bandung conference, etc)… and then tragically was lost across most of the world and even amongst many AES, as imperialism started moving to more covert means in most parts of the world. I guess my hope is that it returns, and with a vengeance that will never be forgotten (honestly, if humanity forgets again- we’re doomed, our species’ short generational memories will have doomed us).

On the one hand I get they want to make the zionists look strong, but on the other wouldn’t it lend itself to greater urgency and frothing rage if they met the Iranian narrative half-way

I think the answer is simple. Isntreal is a settler-state, and it is a settler-state which has not succeeded in eradicating the indigenous peoples to such an extent that they are the minority (when one considers the surrounding Arab and Muslim-majority states actually, rather the opposite).

They have to maintain the image of the “untouchable ubermensch.” Psychologically they have to, but also strategically; all they offer the local peoples is terrorism and genocide, so they must ensure that all the local peoples (who number more than them) fear them more than they hate them. This is also exactly the same as how colonial forces across the globe acted- with the promise of extreme and inordinate terrorism- to maintain their rule, and to create the circumstances where they could establish rule to begin with.

The other older settler-states have similar dynamics, but have had more time and space (through the successful and extensive genocides and conquests they engaged in- ie. through their successful lebensraum/Manifest Destiny) to settle into a more “lax” phase of settler-colonialism, where the genocides take a quieter, more low-key form of suppression. They all had the same foundational psychology however, and will all generally act in the same way Isntreal has if provoked. And of course, the examples of all the failed settler-states (Nazi Germany, French Algeria, “Rhodesia,” British Kenya, Apartheid South Africa, etc. and even the resurgent indigenism within parts of Latin America) show what happens if the settlers cannot succeed in genociding off the vast majority of the indigenous peoples of an entire geographic region.

Honestly hope we see these sorts of talking points across the global south in my lifetime. Everything the west has is projection, but the world would be infinitely better off if the global majority truly joined arms to defend actual freedom and the democracy and sovereignty of nations, from its greatest enemies (the imperialists)

Feels good having these around now… go ahead, eat up, you deserve it