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strange, the population is growing rapidly under the genocidal Soviet occupation, and right after liberation starts decreasing just as rapidly…

Nice to see Russia taking a page out of China’s book for once!

Now do “poverty eradication” and “crackdown on corruption” and maybe sprinkle a bit of “peaceful rise” on top and you’re cooking

ok mom

HarmonyOS

100% agree with you there!

Creeping neofascism among Ukraine’s armed forces

Creeping? It’s been deeply entrenched for at least 80-something years.

To me this reads as “fascism has been entrenched in Ukraine since WW2”, I didn’t realise they meant the West.

Thank you comrade!

Fucking scary read.

Ukrainian neonazis were always open about their goal to become the hotbed for Nazi restoration in Europe.

Also remember they are not only training Ukrainian forces but also all the Western volunteers. Fun times ahead for Europe when their neonazi chickens come home to roost.

Creeping neofascism among Ukraine’s armed forces

Creeping? It’s been deeply entrenched for at least 80-something years.

Suggesting fascism has been “deeply entrenched” in the Red Army is possibly the dumbest thing I read around here and it’s sad to see this upvoted.

By “👆” do you mean you’re agreeing with the comment above?

Because the links you posted paint a comletely different picture: Ukrainian fascism was created outside Ukraine, sponsored from outside Ukraine, and apart from the brief period of Nazi occupation, it was absolutely not “deeply entrenched” in Ukraine which was a Soviet republic where Nazi collaborators got what they deserved.

From the first part:

Today the OUN justify their crimes by vilifying the Soviet Union but in reality they had no presence in Soviet Ukraine and operated only in Poland and from exile in Europe. It was only after the German invasion of Poland in September 1939, when the Soviets would occupy Western Ukraine as part of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, was Ukraine briefly united. The Soviets would launch a crackdown on the OUN, a fascist terrorist group spying for Nazi Germany, arresting thousands of suspected members and executing hundreds. This would continue until the German invasion of the Soviet Union on 22 June 1941.

It was in Poland’s Second Republic that the OUN would have its origins. In 1920 the veterans of the Sich Riflemen who had fought for the ZUNR in western Ukraine founded the UVO an underground terrorist army. UVO stood for Ukrainian Military Organization in Ukrainian. Its founders were Levhen Konavalets, Andrii Melnyk and Roman Sushko. Konavalets would head the UVO and later the OUN until his death. Melnyk would head the OUN after Konavalets. The UVO was not a mass political organization but instead a terrorist group that funded itself by spying for the German Abwehr (Military Intelligence). Initially the main political party of the Ukrainian nationalists were the UNDO who sought to win independence through legal and democratic means and initially were opposed to fascism and terrorism. By the 1930s however, the right wing of UNDO secretly worked closely with the OUN. The UVO founded the OUN the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists at the 1st Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists in Vienna held between 28 January and 3 February 1929. The OUN were to be a mass political organization recruited from Ukrainian nationalist youth groups that were popular in Poland.

The main sponsors of the OUN were Germany, Lithuania, and Italy. Germany and Lithuania provided funding, military training and passports. In the border wars that followed World War 1, Poland had captured an important chunk of Lithuania including its main city. Lithuania funded the OUN in revenge. Italy provided OUN training bases and Stepan Bandera’s brother Oleksandr spent years in fascist Italy studying for a degree in political science and engaging in fascist activism.

Part 2 discusses WW2. Obviously Nazi collaborators were in power during the Nazi occupation, this is true everywhere Nazis occupied territory, from Western Europe to Belarus and Russia.

Most of Part 3 is about the post-war fighting between UPA bandits and the Red Army. Suffice to say by the early 50s the Red Army has eradicated Banderites in Ukraine.

Which is exactly why Part 4 is called “The Global OUN Network in Exile, 1962-1992” - Ukrainian fascism has only survived in exile, and only thanks to intense funding by CIA and the like.

This is the opposite of fascism being “deeply entrenched” anywhere in the USSR during it’s existence.

Fascism was created in the Western Europe, it was used to decimate Ukraine, Belarus, and European parts of Russia during WW2, and after those parts of the USSR were liberated it was nurtured in the West during the cold war to be forcibly transplanted back to post-Soviet states after the fall of the USSR.

Look, the fascist Kuomintang exists in Taiwan. Imagine USA manages to topple the CPC and put Kuomintang in power, would you say “fascism has been deeply entrenched in China for the past 75 years”?

USian “working class” is actually labour aristocracy / petty bourgeois. Those classes are always the driving force behind the rise of fascism. Case in point: Trump.

“Outflank them from the right”

Obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfKZclMWS1U

It’s a Polish surname

I’m from the USSR and I had a yank tell me I’d be speaking German if not for murica.

I said I only speak a bit of German but wish I spoke it better so he went on to painstakingly explain what WW2 was.

It was kinda funny but less so than I thought it’d be.

This is asinine, labour organisers get assassinated in the Global South.

It’s not difficult to call Nazis Nazis.

Zhukov was right when he said “We have liberated Europe from fascism, but they will never forgive us for it.” The West immediately went on to put Nazi generals in charge of NATO, Canada nurtured Banderites who would never see a day of freedom in Ukraine, all this simply because Nazism is an organic outgrowth of European settler-colonial project (same as Zionism), it’s the ugly side of Western liberalism.

Turning this around against Ukraine made my blood boil because Ukraine was one of the primary victims of Nazism along with Belarus, over two million Ukrainians enslaved and sent to German industries for forced labour, over five million slaughtered, entire villages razed to the ground, mass rapes organised by Nazi officers, mass shootings by SS death squads and Banderites, things Western education mostly glosses over. Even the 30s famine has nothing on the destruction Nazis wreaked on Ukraine.

I doubt you can imagine the generational trauma people raised in the USSR have. Watch “Come and See” and understand we were raised by people who lived through this (https://youtu.be/zjIiApN6cfg). Liberation from Nazis is not a laughing matter for us, which is why the Ukrainian grandma with the red flag resonated so deeply with so many post-Soviet people (https://youtu.be/DfeflkpcOi4).

Ukraine was a founding member of the USSR, Ukrainians were the largest ethnic group in the Red Army after Russians, with over 5 million serving (https://i.imgur.com/62j4OYo.jpeg). It’s Ukrainians who did the liberation, and it’s the West who never forgave them for it and is now destroying them in a proxy war against Russia, after putting Banderites in power.

I’m sorry but the comment I referenced comes out of a deep ignorance and arrogance typical to Westerners. No they didn’t say “every single Ukrainian” but they generalised Ukrainians in an extremely ahistorical and offensive manner.

OMG of course I know what happened to Black Panthers, this doesn’t explain why you can’t organise two generations later. Read Sakai or Zak Cope.

Will do, and thank you.

Americans and other imperial core nations directly benefit from imperialism, this is the real reason why no communist party can take off the ground there, not any ephemeral reppression. Ukrainians on the other hand are the victims of imperialism and it’s their country that is right now ravaged by a war. You wouldn’t go around blaming Bangladeshi people for politics that keep them in crumbling sweatshops, even though it’s comprador Bangladeshi politicians who sign off those policies for the benefit of Western capitalists. The same way when comprador Nazi politicians of Ukraine sacrifice their people in a war for the benefit of Western capitalists, you shouldn’t blame Ukrainian people for it.

Your question is no different from someone asking “if it’s ok to say whites do such and such, why can’t I say blacks do such and such”? The difference is between the oppressor and the oppressed, the perpetrator and the victim. White supremacy is not every single white persons fault and noone can singlehandedly end it, but whites are collectively benefitting from it and thus should take responsibility. Western people, working class included, have some responsibility for sustaining imperialism, because it does benefit them - all the sweat, blood and tears are outsourced to other nations so there’s no reason for Western working class to rebel.

Those dynamics have to be understood if we’re to achieve any change at all and it’s actually sad I had to type this out.