Do you really ONLY see disability on this picture? I see different people with different needs. It’s about needs. People have different needs. IF you are more than happy to alienate them, because their needs offend you, you are giving them the right to alienate you. And finally everyone gets alienated. Is THIS Solarpunk for you?

It all depends on local conditions.

1. The “last mile” loop will be different in Europe, in Africa, North America or Australia. It shapes your need for speed and range, as well as required safety (how long will it take to get assistance in case of need).
2. In rural applications you rarely need strictly personal transport. On average it is a 2-5 people and some cargo, with occasional trailer.
3. Serviceability is an important factor.

For Eastern Europe, where I live, I would recommend a slow (~45km/h) pickup (2 + 1000kg) - the one pictured below. For extended range you can add a PV canopy and even a small gas-powered genset for emergencies.

https://www.melex-ev.com/cargo/

…which is ideally / eventually the usecase for the coin I am thinking about.

So, do I understand you correctly that we are talking about several “tokens” based on the same chain? I know there are some open chain frameworks (ETH is waaay too capitalist for my liking) that could be utilised - after diligent scrutiny.

Meanwhile, in another subthread, we got to (probably central) question, whether basic risks: double-spending and forgery, could be addressed without blockchain, in a publicly transparent and verifiable way.

One technical remark:

if you have your currency fixed to say imaginum and there is only a fixed supply of imaginum in the world, but the economy grows twice in size, you end up with 100% inflation.

Should read “deflation”.

Other than that, I agree - within your assumptions of a well run governemnt. However, there is a whole lot of people within solarpunk realm who do not believe thet “a well run government” can exist (detailed definitions aside) and do want government (governance body) beyond the scale of a community that can directly control it. Thus, any such government-backed currency would still be local. Which puts us back to the field one, lacking the intergovernmental exchange carrier.

Getting a bit more theoretical, I am in favor of two currency-backing values that are IMO elementary and not substitute: energy and time. We see many “timebank” systems run locally, but even if we can say that this is the currency created (though commitment) by individuals, they still follow the pattern of central clearing office, sometimes with added reputation systems.

Energy - which essentially all solar, by the way - is mostly used via proof-of-work schemes, and could probably be used through proof-of-useful-work filter, which to me looks like a good way to fund/support public works.

This way or another, whatever is the source of the currency, we always need to address the risk of double spending and forgery. In absence of a commonly trusted authority (bank or government), public trust and control can be exercised through an openly available, tamper-proof and distributed ledger. Now, blockchain is one way to implement it. Can we imagine something else?

tl;dr: No authority, no blockchain - then what?

Partly, I answered here: https://slrpnk.net/post/14539748/11723741

As for the scope of it, I see it as a bridge solution for the stage where we still have to interact with capitalist realm, but can already start building our own (post-capitalist, solarpunk, anarchist - whatever the name) real economy, so we need an inter-community exchange token. There should (nor will) not be a uniform solution for every community involved, so we need something to use as a mediating value carrier.

As such, it may retire at some point in favour of something better suited to the new world needs, or survive - like gold today - in mostly symbolic role.

Trust is a choice. There will always be people who choose not to trust - that is their right and they should not be alienated because of that.

I see two usabilities of altcoin in current (and mid-term) solarpunk context:

• Proof-of-useful-work for primary circulation means that coins can be created in exchange for resources (i. e. storage and processing power) made available to SolarPunk initiatives.
• Secondary circulation makes it possible to transfer funds between distant communities, without any need for a deep trust or even knowledge. The chief matter is to avoid double-spending, of course.

Thank you for mentioning GNU Taler.

I have freshly read an interesting article https://www.leafscore.com/blog/the-9-most-sustainable-cryptocurrencies-for-2021/ (the link is weirdly recycled, it is a 2024 piece), showing that there is a number of altcoins (and I use this term deliberately - no ETH or BTC included) trying to solve both the technical and political faults of the initial concept. I believe that, if one designs a currency properly in political sense, the technology can be adjusted as well.

You have 20 GB quota with 5 GB daily limit, moderated. Enjoy.

Drop me a link to your channel, let me see it. I can adjust limits, of course.

Hello again. Here is the updated map of our “Looking Up!” platform for education, information and inspiration towards community resilience. Pattern language is located there as an independent layer, on top of existing semantic wiki (Software stack to be determined yet). Such approach will allow us to work on it in parallel, independently for general platform development.

My suggestion is: let’s meet at cryptpd.fr (my profile link), where I already started a document collection. We can also use a matrix room, either here or at min.tepewu.pl (my address: @kanenas:min.tepewu.pl).

In few days I will be announcing our flagship project for 2024. Once it is done, I will get back to the pattern language topic (which also fits nicely as one of “legs” of the said project). Meanwhile, I am looking for other relevant resources, so we will hopefully have something to start with. Hope for your contribution, too.

I believe the answer will depend on local circumstances. The copper will always be needed - it is a matter of mix proportions. As long as we can keep the supply chain short-ish and local, we are good.

Great contribution, thank you. I am an admirer of 19th Century engineering and inventions, and it is good to have someone around, to ground me, so to speak. 😆

By your permission, I would like to tap more of your knowledge.

Would you care to provide more information?

Do we have an XMPP room/muc for all people to chat here?

Infrastructure

Public services - especially regarding persons with disabilities (PwD) - are being increasingly starved.

In Poland, effectively 1st of January, the caretaker support (for people not employed due to taking full time care of their disabled relatives) has been replaced with “supportive money”, much harder to obtain and in lower amount. New parliament is promising substantial rises, but there is no money in sight to back them up.

In UK, as almost 20% of municipalities warns about imminent bankruptcy, an old idea to “warehouse” PwD looms again.

So, after 3 years, did this post age well?