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Cake day: July 12th, 2023

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  • Here’s a springboard article, if you want to do your own research.

    https://www.nzz.ch/english/how-the-myth-of-stockholm-syndrome-came-from-a-media-driven-hostage-spectacle-ld.1752897

    The woman, based on whom the term was coined (the psychiatrist never even talked to her) wrote an autobiography “I became Stockholm Syndrome”.

    There’s also the works of Allan Wade, a Canadian psychologist, who has talked to the victims throughout his career.

    Basically when you’re at the whims of an armed lunatic, you might cozy up to them in order to appease them. The victims were also really afraid of the police coming in and shooting them. Which is pretty justified, considering the police couldn’t even identify the perpetrator before conceding on his demands and bringing in his prison buddy.

    The guy with a gun, whom they’ve been talking to for days and has not hurt them in the slightest looked much less dangerous than the impending doom of the police barging in and shooting the wrong person.









  • My comment was written poorly and it was rightfully downvoted. I did my best to explain my thoughts in the comments and edited my initial comment to add context.

    I have no ill will towards people reacting negatively, I did my best to explain my stance, certainly did not intend for it to sound condescending.

    I’m not here to win you over and it really doesn’t seem like there’s any actual discussion happening anymore, so I’ll peace out. Have a nice day.


  • Where exactly was I upset? I did my best to explain my stance. And yes, my initial comment failed to put my thoughts across clearly and got rightfully downvoted as a result.

    That is why I edited it and that is why I tried to explain my thoughts further.

    I sincerely do not think the first comment goes against what I said here though. It was written poorly, but the sentiment and thoughts behind it are the same.


  • That does not mean it is a choice. Like I linked in the other comments, there are studies on identical twins where the concordance is around 60-70%. That still leaves a lot of room for other factors (none of which are a conscious decision).

    There’s a pretty big field between “We are born gay and it is 100% genetic” and “sexuality is a choice”, it’s not a dichotomy.



  • You are strawmaning me pretty hard here. My point is, it does not matter whether it’s a choice or not. That is the argument the homophobes bring and I refuse to engage with it.

    I also NEVER even implied it is a choice to begin with. The current model involves genetics as well as very early childhood experience, definitely not a “choice”.

    What matters is, there’s nothing wrong with being gay. Regardless of what makes us gay.


  • The current accepted model involves both genetic and early psycho-developmental factors. There are studies on identical twins that grew up in separate households and the co-inheritance is nowhere near 100%.

    My point is, it should not matter whether you were born gay, or not. What matters is, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way you are.

    “Their whole argument is we have to choose the way we are.”

    That is exactly my point. Let’s not pretend their argument is in good faith or in any way truly relevant. Even if it were a choice, it would in absolutely no way detract from the point, there is nothing wrong with it.