Are you capable of stating what issue it is you see with my arguments?

Once again, you are the person in this thread arguing about the rightness or wrongness. The fact is he made a post praising trump

Oh God, we’re running in circles, this conversation no longer makes sense.

I guess if I ever end up in a situation when I say “Trump accidentally did something good”, I’m now a Trump supporter and I’m praising him, and I’m MAGA - in your book. Right? Oh, no, sorry, I’m actually a Nazi supporter! Well, fuck off, and fuck you.

Further, what you just said looks like a carbon copy of other bad faith arguments I’ve seen on lemmy on this subject

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the reason you’ve seen “carbon copies” of those arguments is because these are not arguments, these are statements of fact? And the only thing making them “bad faith arguments” in your mind is that they go against your fundamentalist worldview of “us vs them”?

Don’t bother answering, I know you haven’t.

EOT on my end.

No.

I mean, it’s probably reported as that a lot, but no, they didn’t.

First of all: Proton provides privacy, NOT anonymity.

Second of all: the authorities knew the suspect used Wire. Subpoena on Wire revealed the user had a Proton email account. Subpoena on Proton revealed that they had an iCloud recovery email.

Once they subpoenaed Apple, they got all the data they needed - name, address, etc., etc.

Proton didn’t give up their user, but they are legally obligated to provide any data they have on the user if a court orders them to. Had the user’s recovery email been a Tuta address, or even another Proton mailbox, that would’ve been the end of it.

It’s disrespectful because he think his customers are stupid enough to buy his ruse about “genuinely” thinking that a Trump admin would be concerned about anti-trust.

But… He never said that?

He said that “democrats used to stand for the little guy, but tables have turned”. Again, in context he’s 100% correct - Dems went to bed with a lot of big business while Reps started a lot of anti-trust anti-BigTech moves (which, due to tribalism, Dems criticised).

He doesn’t say anything else - nothing about him “thinking the Trump admin is concerned about X”, he just states a simple fact.

And we live in a time when stating a fact makes you “the enemy of the people” because, apparently, “my feeling are more important than facts” rings true on both sides of the political divide… And that’s shameful.

You referenced the current US admin assigning someone who is allegedly anti-trust? So what? What does this have to with anything?

Well… only just the fact that this is precisely what he was commenting on?

What do you mean “what dos that have to do with anything”?? It’s got literally the entirety of it.

What exactly were the good things?

DOJ Antitrust Lawsuit Against Google (2020)- Focused on Google’s deals with Apple and others to maintain default search engine status, thus harming competitors.

FTC Antitrust Lawsuit Against Facebook (December 2020)- To potentially break up Facebook by forcing it to divest those companies.

DOJ Antitrust Review of Big Tech (2019)- Laid groundwork for later actions, like the 2020 Google lawsuit.

FTC Tech Task Force (2019)- Re-examined acquisitions like Facebook’s of Instagram and WhatsApp.

Trump’s Executive Order on Section 230 (May 2020) to weaken legal protections that shield social media platforms from liability over user content and moderation decisions. - didn’t get much done as actual change would require Congressional action. But it intensified scrutiny of Big Tech.

And indirectly: Trump supported conservative-led Congressional hearings and investigations into Big Tech’s political power and influence or pushed the idea that companies like Amazon were harming small businesses and exploiting USPS.

Obviously, most of these were fuelled by his pettiness (he always complained about social media having anti-conservative bias and wanted to hurt them in retaliation), but you cannot look at these and go “all of this is shite” and not be considered either insane or a fundamentalist.

Which major company was broken up? Which executives went to jail?

Don’t be childish. We’re not talking about completely redefining the tech landscape, we’re talking about reining a couple of “too big” companies in.

Try and look at what I am saying outside the lens of internal US politics. As I said earlier, I am not even necessarily saying that the Proton CEO is a Trump supporter, that doesn’t make the situation any better.

What you seem to be saying is: “he didn’t criticise Trump, therefore he went against his client-base’s belief system, and that’s a bad thing”.

Am I getting this right? Maybe elaborate on what’s your exact stance on Yen if I’m getting something confused?

Because it would be nice to have a card number that looked plausible that could be used in movies

https://www.creditcardvalidator.org/generator

Why is it “too bad” if they’re used for testing?

I just find it sad that we came to a point where any public discourse is this tribal.

There are things the Trump admin did objectively right (often for all the wrong reasons), but people like you will not only not allow themselves to acknowledge that, you’ll put people like me, who do, to the “Trump supporter or gullible fool” basket without giving it a second thought.

We blame the right-wing for creating a massive divide in society, and then this happens? The left-wing is equally as responsible for this divide, it seems. At least for maintaining, if not deepening, it.

It’s a message praising the republican party and actions taken under the trump admin, in response to a trump tweet.

Very specific actions under a tweet about a very specific thing, yes.

No, it would be bad faith to argue it isn’t praising trump. You can argue he has a point, or that you don’t care, or it’s no big deal, but it’s absolutely praising trump

For a specific thing in specific circumstances, yes. How is that a bad thing? Do you think that we should just carpet-bomb with hate every action that Trump and his administration does? Even if it’s something objectively good for the average person?

you can reasonably state that Trump and his regime are extremely corrupt and are unlikely to have any good faith interest in targeting American technology oligarchs via anti-trust

NOW you can.

In 2024, you couldn’t, because his previous admin, as bullshit-filled, corrupt and dishonest as it was, DID do some good things (mostly in a bad way - if it was all good, it was usually by accident). The anti-trust stuff was some of those good things.

And don’t get me wrong - I know full well that Trump never intended any of that stuff to benefit the “Average Joe”. I’m willing to bet my life’s savings that he and his admin did it to show “who’s the boss” to all the “tech bros” (who were famously anti-Trump at the time). I guess you could say it worked, considering how they all sided with him now.

But, again, we NOW know what the true intentions were. In 2024, looking at the first term, you COULD honestly say that Trump did some good in a fight against Big Tech.

And, again, all Yen said was that appointing someone known for being anti-Big Tech into such a high position in the DOJ was a good move, and stated the obvious (at the time) fact, that Dems were very much siding with Big Tech, which did not benefit the average citizen.

Yen clearly disrespect his customers by engaging in faux-anti-trust polemics

From a purely tribal (“us vs them”, “Republicans vs Democrats”) perspective (“anything they do is wrong and evil, anything we do is correct and good”) - yes, you’re right. From a more saner perspective of just looking at facts of life (anti-trust work, the appointment to the DOJ, Dems’ stance on Big Tech), I don’t see any disrespect at all.

context was provided in a relatively neutral way

Was it, though?

What started it I think is this twitter post praising trump

That’s a pretty non-neutral way to present things, considering nothing like that happened in said tweet.

If you ignore all the fast and loose they play with privacy, sure

I’m not ignoring it, I just never heard about it. Got some articles/examples?

It’s not an aggressive push if you ignore the part where they repeatedly use the foot in the door technique where they first promise they won’t do something, and then later do it anyways.

Can’t comment because I haven’t seen the original announcement. Are you sure it wasn’t to the tune of “it will be available for Business” and then people extrapolated that to mean “it will never, ever, ever-ever even remotely touch the ‘civilian’ accounts”?

They claim it is optional but they just shove a pop-up in your face about AI

Ah, yes, recommending new features, the Hitler of XXI c’s IT.

Come on now…

while misleading you about how it works

Please elaborate.

it predictably leads to many users thinking it’s off but being surprised when they find it turned on without them realizing it it’s not much consolation

I mean… Yeah, they added the button instead of having the user toggle a switch for the button to appear. But, as I’m reading it, it’s not the feature that is “on” or “off” in the sense that you seem to see it. It’s not “‘on’, therefore it’s doing something behind the scenes”. It’s “on” as in: “the button is visible, and if you click it, you can start interacting with it, but it does nothing unless you tell it to do something”. I may be wrong, of course, but I wouldn’t discount the entire company on the basis of a Reddit comment.

How do you figure that works? The server somehow corrects your spelling mistakes without reading the email containing the spelling mistake?

If you ask Scribe to correct spelling mistakes, then the prompt contains the email you asked it to correct, that seems fairly obvious. It doesn’t, however, “read your mailbox”, because it can’t.

He says Trump supports the little guy

1. Not “Trump” but “Republicans”, via the “tables have turned”.

2. Considering the actions of the Democrats at the time (viciously pro-Big Tech just on the basis of “let’s criticise everything Trump admin does”), and the actions of the Republicans at the time (last administration started a lot of the anti-trust moves against Big Tech), he’s right.

and prefers him to democrats

OK, quote that part of the tweet. I posted its entire content in another comment in this thread.

he says are the party of big business.

He’s right. They vehemently criticised all the anti-Big Tech actions from the Trump admin during his previous term.

I’m sorry you want to support people who support fascists.

I’m sorry your fundamentalism blinds to simple English.

Umm… Yes? What’s that got to do with anything?

aggressively pushed an AI service that, you guessed it, tries to read all the emails you write (…) (this article only covers the early portion of the debacle)

Did you actually read it, though?

1. They claim to respect privacy and - to date - have done nothing to suggest that they don’t.

2. It’s running on European-run Mistral.ai, which is subject to all the standard GDPR rules.

3. IT’S OPTIONAL (there goes the “aggressive push” bit)

4. NOTHING EXCEPT FOR THE PROMPT IS SENT TO MISTRAL (there goes the “reads all emails” bit)

I get it. People see “AI” and immediately panic. But it doesn’t seem like the panic HERE makes any sense at all.

quitting mastodon “because it’s too expensive to maintain”

I’d say having to either pay a guy to maintain the account or pay for software that allows cross-posting to both Twitter and Mastodon (with both having different limitations) gets expensive if you realise that they were getting minuscule engagement on Mastodon. It’s a shit move, but I get where they’re coming from. Same reason why Garuda Linux has a subreddit, but not a Lemmy Community.

but they’ve made a lot of other highly questionable decisions in a relatively short timespan

Nothing you’ve shown me so far is anywhere near the point where I’d be suspicious of them.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying they’re the end-all-be-all of privacy oriented services. There’s a bunch of stuff they do wrong (especially with how they farm engagement on their TT account), but as far as privacy and security themselves? I’ve yet to see an issue.

Yeah, if you cut up his Tweet into single sentences and then read each one completely outside of any context, then you could argue that Andy Yen got brainwashed into being MAGA.

But that’s not how language works.

HERE’S the full Tweet. For your convenience, I’ll quote it in full:

Great pick by @realDonaldTrump. 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned. People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.

Nothing he wrote here are lies. The antitrust actions against Big Tech were started by Trump’s administration. The whole thing about banning Tik-Tok was their idea.

Appointing someone who’s known to be “anti-Big Tech” to the second highest position in the Antitrust Division at the DOJ objectively sounds great and is a good move.

So, with the Dems fighting to stop Trump admin’s moves against Big Tech, the tables were turned at the point in time the Tweet was written - in 2024, before the inauguration and the swearing-in of Trump!

I’m assuming that if you asked Yen today what he thinks about Trump and his administration, he’d have a vastly different opinion. But calling him a “Trump supporter” based off of that tweet is just… either ignorance, or some silly form of fundamentalism.

The whole “scandal” is bullshit.

Look at the linked tweet, mate. Trump appointed Gil Slater as Assistant Attorney General or the Antitrust Division.

Slater was known for being anti-Big Tech.

Yen is famously anti-Big Tech.

He calls the appointment a good choice.

That’s it. He doesn’t say “Trump is great”, he doesn’t say ANYTHING about Trump himself, he just comments that “appointing this person (who we know is anti-Big Tech) to a high position in the Antitrust Division is a good choice”.

But since we live in the world where saying “Trump, maybe, potentially, accidentally did something good” means you’re in a cult because you didn’t call to hang him for everything he does, we are where we are.

Alright, have you actually read his tweet?

I know you just linked it, but have you actually read it, the context, and given it some thought?

proton CEO starting spewing politcal BS

Context, please?

Huh… Push Britain to get back to the EU and then you guys (and Australia, and New Zealand) could join on the basis of being in the Commonwealth!

Hmm… There’s a connector from the card to 3-pin connector on the motherboard, but the description in the manual suggests that it only allows me to control RGB through it. As in: if I don’t connect it, they’ll just be on in whatever default state they’re in and that’s that.

I’ll look into this, thanks!