• partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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    22 days ago

    There’s always rhetoric, but completely shutting out the opposition for major legislation was just not done.

    History doesn’t support your statement.

    Feel free to show me legislation that was later signed during the first quarter of the Obama administration that wasn’t passed on nearly party lines. I took a look and couldn’t find any.

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      22 days ago

      There wasn’t any, because of the move to block Republicans from the ACA. It’s just like when the Democrats used the nuclear option for judges, it also bit them in the ass the second they were the minority party.

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        22 days ago

        There wasn’t any, because of the move to block Republicans from the ACA.

        Wait, are you saying the the GOP only after the ACA passing on Democrat party line vote decided they would vote party line for every substantive legislative action?

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          21 days ago

          Yes that was the original point. The ACA was the beginning of the extreme partisanship we’ve seen. It wouldn’t be sunshine and rainbows if they had got some republicans on board, but it would have been less partisan.

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            21 days ago

            The ACA was signed over a year after Obama had been in office. You should look at signed legislation from before the ACA. The hard GOP opposition was already there well before the ACA.

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              21 days ago

              The negotiation started almost immediately though and the Republicans were told to fuck off. It was introduced in September of his first year, there wasn’t anything else major in those first 8 months.

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                21 days ago

                Please look up Newt Gingrich and his impact on politics and then come back and read what you wrote

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                  21 days ago

                  I’m not saying there was never partisanship. Clinton made progress despite Gingrich, Bush managed just fine with a democratic majority. Obama forgot losing elections was possible.