In light of Nexus Mods and Mod DB banning the No Pronouns mod for Starfield, I figured I would look around for alternative sources and collect them in one place for others’ convenience. This seems like a good place to put them.

Trusted

Caution Advised

    • Eggyhead@artemis.camp
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      I mean, the absurdity of your argument that a sci-fi space rpg can’t meet your standards of “reality” because of a mere ignorable, pre-existing and commonly used pronoun aside, I’m going to have to step in on this particularly low-hanging morsel…

      The rules of English grammar are objective.

      If English grammatical rules were objective, we’d all still be talking the way people did way before Shakespeare. Actually, Shakespeare’s writings wouldn’t exist today if English grammar wasn’t at all subjective because he flat out made up a ton of words and phrases we still use today. Also, you’ve heard of poetry, right?

      “It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” (Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5)

      • firebreathingbunny@kbin.socialOP
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Which grammar rule changed since Shakespeare’s time? The reason students can still read and understand Shakespeare’s works is that the grammar remains the same. Congratulations, you owned yourself.

        • stopthatgirl7@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          Ironically, one of the biggest changes from Shakespeare’s time and now concerned pronouns. We stopped using “thou/thee” as the informal 2nd person and began to only use what had been the formal 2nd person, “you,” and stopped using the verb conjugations for them.

          Meanwhile, the 3rd person singular “they” has been in use since Chaucer’s time.

            • stopthatgirl7@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              My brother in Christ; I’M AN ENGLISH TEACHER.

              If you don’t understand how “we lost an entire pronoun and the verb inflection that went with it” is in fact grammar, I don’t even know what to tell you.

              • firebreathingbunny@kbin.socialOP
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                I’M AN ENGLISH TEACHER.

                Apparently not a very good one, because:

                • You don’t know the difference between vocabulary and grammar.
                • You don’t know that appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.
                • You don’t know what being dismissed means.

                Bye.

        • Eggyhead@artemis.camp
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Just off the top of my head: In some US dialects, rather than a single word changing between negative and positive form (e.g. “I didn’t take any pictures”), instead an entire sentence is shifted into a negative mode (“I didn’t take no pictures”). Traditional grammar rules would dictate that as a double negative, implying the speaker did in fact take pictures, but only an idiot would actually choose interpret it that way.

          Next, we have the impact of the internet. “lol” might occasionally be spoken aloud in many circumstances as a substitute for “that’s funny” or something similar. Colloquial written English is all over the place. We now not only use “lol”, but “fwiw,” “afaik,” and many others.

          Then there’s emoji. We’re basically using glyphs to express ideas, not unlike how kanji works, and traditional rules of grammar don’t always apply when you’re expressing an idea through pictures, though it’s interesting when it does. Animated GIFs and memes often butcher grammar rules without sacrificing any understanding of intent.

          A simple google search turns up many more examples than I could possibly be aware of.

          Now it’s your turn. Feel free to explain why you think using “they” as a singular pronoun applies as a grammar rule violation in the 21st century. If you can’t use more than a typical snarky one or two-liner, you should just consider this argument lost and rethink your life.

    • squid@feddit.uk
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Yes they are objective but every year a new dictionary comes out with new words and meanings, this is humanity turning the abstract into meaning. I’d like to see you get by with the vocabulary of a 16th century Brit.