• brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    Or just stop being so freaking stingy withholding weapons.

    What are they waiting for? The UK to declare war on France? NO, they stockpiled all these freaking arms for Soviet aggression or fascist threats, and now its at their doorstep.

    I don’t understand what good Grippens and Typhoons, tanks, missiles sysstems and such do rusting in storage when they could do exactly what they were built to do, right now.

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      Remember that occasion where a Danish warship found itself in contact with pirates or Houthis or whoever, and it turned out half the weapon systems are not functional or something?

      This is what they don’t want to show. That any military rusts, so the initial moments of those countries’ participating in any war will be full of shame. The first weeks of Russia’s invasion are a good example of such. No, EU doesn’t mean this won’t happen. Yes, defense-related corruption exists everywhere. No, European militaries are not full of supermen somehow magically superior to Russians and Ukrainians.

      It’s very simple. The moment that happens, some people may find themselves under scrutiny for clear failures in their area of responsibility. So they resist. This is normal.

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        NATO does drills and excercises, and I’m sure everything is inspected before its sent. They can just quietly throw away what doesn’t work and dodge that bullet.

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      Hopefully everyone is holding their breath for another 6-7 days and then we can deliver what’s needed without troubling the US election 😔

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        Shouldn’t they be in a rush, instead?

        They basically have 7 days (or really till January) before NATO could be destabilized and delivering weapons becomes far more complicated.

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          Well if it’s orange hitler, then Biden has some hectic weeks, but also Ukraine can just go Rogue and do long range strikes as the USA won’t matter any more I guess.

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    Author is a Ukrainian PhD. Far more education than me yet still can’t understand why Ukraine is not in the EU, 30 years after leaving the soviet union.

    Now wants the EU to escalate a war, adding her voice to growing calls for escalation from people who will not be doing any of the fighting.

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      Have you heard of the promises that were made when Ukraine gave up their nukes in 1991? No you probably haven’t, the USA, GB and Russia promised to protect Ukraine…

      And you know what, even without that, Europe should, you know, fight fascism at its doorstep.

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      Fuck off. Russia considers itself at war with the democratic world. It’s long overdue the democratic world responds in the only way Russia recognizes: brute force.

      If that means active engagement from NATO or even individual nations like Poland or France, then so be it.

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        I believe the war Russia is fighting against NATO has so far not killed a single NATO soldier, but thousands of Russians. If this is the war Russia wants to fight with NATO, NATO would be stupid not to keep it going. At this point the Soviet era weapon stockpiles are nearly empty, they need to buy shells from North Korea, the Russian economy is pretty much a full on war economy, which means collapse as soon as the war ends, while Russia debt auction run into serious problems and the sovereign wealth fund is running empty.

        The only thing the West needs to do is to keep sending aid to Ukraine for another two years or so. That will kill Putin’s Russia. It might even happen earlier.

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          It would hardly be a world war. Who would be stupid enough to join on the side of Russia?

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              I’m betting my family that we have to stop russia or it will just be worse. I’m also betting like the civilised world for the exact same reason, demilitarise and denuclerise russia or we’ll all be sorry.

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            North Korea is already fighting for them, and they also have Hungary, Serbia and potentially USA if Trump wins.

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      I think there’s been enough Ukrainian dead. If those countries are Ukraine’s allies, not just partners, then they don’t seem to send enough troops.