• John Richard@lemmy.world
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    30 days ago

    Your assumption is that these third party voters would be inclined to vote for Kamala if they weren’t voting for Stein. There is nothing to support that claim by you. In fact, it is the opposite. They’d be inclined to vote for Kamala if she shifted her policy positions when it comes to the war in Afghanistan. Again, you can blame anyone you like for this, but if Kamala doesn’t change her position, the consequences for Americans will be worse. To do so, is per Kamala’s “own” values, nonsensical.

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      29 days ago

      I’m not assuming that you are inclined to vote for Harris - you’ve made it clear that you are not!

      What I’m saying is that the course of action you’re advocating (voting for Jill Stein) can only have the opposite outcome to the one you want (because it will lead to the election of Donald Trump and a still worse situation in the Middle East). This being the case, you should reconsider your course of action.

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        29 days ago

        I’m always re-evaluating my decision. There is still time for Harris to publicly denounce the genocide and call it for what it is and commit to stopping the funding the Israeli war machine. It’s really her choices more than anything that impacts what happens. She has to earn votes.

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          29 days ago

          And if she doesn’t, you’ll use your vote to make things worse? As I say, doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

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            29 days ago

            According you Democrats people voting for Stein were already supporting Trump. Harris can earn votes by committing to stop funding the Israeli war machine committing genocide. No one owes her votes though, but it does appear she owes AIPAC a lot.

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              28 days ago

              Like I’ve said, it’s not a matter of owing her votes. I just think that you shouldn’t use your vote in a way that will make things worse.

              I’ve not ascribed any views to you beyind what you’ve said here, and I’d appreciate if you didn’t do the same to me. I don’t think you support Trump, but it is a fact that your current plans make a Trump win more likely. It’s precisely because I don’t believe you support Trump (and in particular what he’d do in Gaza) that I think you should reconsider that plan.

              Anyway, we’re going round in circles here. Unless you can show to me that voting for Stein will have something other than a wholly negative outcome for Gaza or anywhere else, I’m not going to change my view that it’s a mistake for you to do so.