Great news!
Edit : sad to see the first comment being really negative
this post was submitted on 03 Oct 2024
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I'm not really sure why they say that, looking at it the UI looks pretty sleek
That's great!!
I love PieFed - hopefully this instance will be a success! It's nice to see something other than the flagship. PieFed seems pretty flexible, so it'll be fun to see what another instance makes of it.
I would warmly recommend checking it out!
(That's https://feddit.online and https://piefed.social)
I migrated to the flagship PieFed instance a while ago and haven't regretted it at all. This place rocks! I would love it if there was an app though, not a big fan of PWAs lol. If I was smarter, I'd try to make one myself. Very exciting to see more instances popping up!
We're working on it :)
Thank you for your work!
Whoa... !FloatingIsFun@fedia.io looks really good in PieFed's tile views! It's kind of what I was going for with my CSS. I think PieFed has a ton of potential, and I want to mess around with it more.
@Jerry@hear-me.social, if you just saw a spike of like 1GB of data getting federated in, that was me manually retrieving my first few hundred posts.
Edit: Oops, I tagged the wrong instance admin named Jerry!
@hitstun @rimu @Andromxda
Wow. You're right. The display is beautiful! I never saw any communities that showed this feature so well!
I'm glad you joined the server! Welcome.
And a GB is but a drop. Don't worry about resource usage.
It very much does, I didn't even know they had that view!
is that view native to piefed?
Looks like it, piefed.social had it too
Cool!
Good to see another public PieFed instance. Any idea if this one allows subscribing to NSFW communities? They're entirely blocked by piefed.social, unfortunately.
Nothing against @rimu (or any other individual admin) for not wanting to deal with having NSFW content cached on his server, but I find the collective prudishness of the threadiverse disheartening. I think it hinders our growth, and fosters a worse culture overall. It's kind of ironic that Reddit, for all it's other flaws, is more sex-positive than the threadiverse is.
There's plenty of NSFW content on lemmysnfw.com, I can understand why someone would block NSFW instances for their project flagship instance
It's not that I want the threadiverse to deliver porn to me. I'm capable of finding that myself. It's that I like sex-positive culture and think it's a good thing for humanity overall.
As I noted, my complaint isn't about any specific instance admin. Individually, no one should be required to host or cache anything that they don't want to. However, the overall trend of blocking NSFW communities is still concerning, and we should advocate for admins to not do that where feasible.
The design decision to hide NSFW communities from logged-out users also plays a part here. Community discovery is bad enough as it is, and this makes it even worse. Last I checked, lemmynsfw was having to maintain their own patch to fix it, and keep updating it as new lemmy versions are released. Kbin and PieFed also copied this behavior, and I assume Mbin inherited it.
If this is so important to you, you are still very much free to start your own instance and see how far it goes.
I've considered it, but my skillset isn't really suited to it as a solo project. I can write code, and I have a reasonable understanding of the human factors side of things, but my IT skills are lacking. I'd be happy to join a team of like-minded people undertaking such a project, though.
The problem is not code. The problem is that no one wants to take this responsibility. Every one wants to talk about supportive they are on sex positivity until some men in uniform knocks on their doors because they are running a website that is available for minors all around the world.
Also, I don't even want to get in the discussion of "sex positivity" being associated with "easily available porn". Like you said, porn is easy to find and I really doubt that the someone who is savvy enough to use Lemmy would have trouble to know where it is.
Every one wants to talk about supportive they are on sex positivity until some men in uniform knocks on their doors because they are running a website that is available for minors all around the world.
Are you speaking from first-hand experience, or is this conjecture? At least in the US, complying with the law isn't that difficult.
Also, I don't even want to get in the discussion of "sex positivity" being associated with "easily available porn".
That's an odd way to avoid discussing it. Do you think the availability of porn (or prohibition thereof) within an online space has no effect on what kind of culture develops there?
Do you think the availability of porn within an online space has no effect on what kind of culture develops there?
Of course it does have an effect, but there is a difference between "can be found" and "should be encouraged to be treated on equal footing as any other community forum".
Much like "absolute freedom of speech" platforms that inevitably end up catering to people who want to say only repulsive things without repercussion, what do you think will happen if you create an online space and put a big billboard saying "here you will always be free to share your NSFW content"?
Content discovery of porn should not be as easy and it should not be trivialized under the pretense of "sex positivity". One can have an absolutely open mind about sex and sexuality while still wanting to keep a clear boundary of when/how/whom to talk about it.
You seem to be implying that I'm arguing something that I'm not? This thread started with me lamenting that piefed.social accounts are prohibited from accessing NSFW communities, and inquiring whether feddit.online would have the same policies. Along with some commentary on the general state of the threadiverse's culture.
Note that I haven't asked either admin to host said communities, and I specifically acknowledged the caching issue. Nor am I advocating for them to be treated on absolutely equal footing; they're specially marked so that people who don't want to see them can filter them out, which I think is a good thing.
what do you think will happen if you create an online space and put a big billboard saying "here you will always be free to share your NSFW content"?
If you're specifically advertising it as focused on that, then that's likely what you'll get. If you allow NSFW but don't center it, you'll end up with something like Reddit, Twitter, or pre-ban Tumblr. While there are things to criticize about those sites, very little of it has to do with porn.
Content discovery of porn should not be as easy and it should not be trivialized under the pretense of "sex positivity".
Why? That absolutely sounds like a sex-negative attitude to me. It's treating sexuality as something toxic that needs to be suppressed and hidden even from those that are interested in seeing it. Sex positivity means treating sexuality as a normal thing that is not unusual for people to be interested in.
advocating for them to be treated on absolutely equal footing; they're specially marked so that people who don't
You lamented the fact that unlogged users can not see it and that they can not be found as easily. This is the same as "make it available to the public without any type of check".
It's treating sexuality as something toxic
Sexuality != Porn, and "toxicity" is dose-dependent. Eating a bit of broccoli is good for you. Too much at once and you get thyroid dysfunction.
There are plenty of things that are good and normal, but need to be discussed/presented with a proper context and (most importantly) people need to have a better understanding of the potential bad consequences if it is abused or corrupted.
You don't see young people destroying their lives because they were promised they could make a lot of money by knitting sweaters or working as electricians, but cases of vulnerable women who regret getting into sex work are infinite.
You lamented the fact that unlogged users can not see it and that they can not be found as easily. This is the same as "make it available to the public without any type of check".
Behold! (nsfw) - no login required, just an "are you 18+?" prompt, which is pretty standard. You can also search for NSFW communities without logging in. If you're being more moralistic about this than Reddit is, you're probably taking it too far.
Sexuality != Porn
Porn ∈ Sexuality. Also, I intentionally used a broader term here, because what I'm advocating for is expansive, not restricted to just porn. For example, I miss r/bdsmcommunity and r/sex, which are discussion-only. However, you don't get those kinds of communities growing in a place as structurally and culturally prudish as the threadiverse.
"toxicity" is dose-dependent.
Yeah, porn is about on par with video games in that regard. Yet we (rightly) don't suppress gaming communities here.
You don't see young people destroying their lives because they were promised they could make a lot of money by knitting sweaters or working as electricians, but cases of vulnerable women who regret getting into sex work are infinite.
C'mon, don't get all SWERFy on me now. That regret is a direct result of (drum roll)... sex negative culture! (And capitalist labor exploitation.)
"If you think sex workers 'sell their bodies,' but coal miners do not, your view of labor is clouded by your moralistic view of sexuality."
Look, I want a world in which, to the extent that jobs continue to be a thing, acting in commercial porn is just as normal and unremarkable as any other job, and people don't get all judgy about it. Same (hopefully robust) labor protections too. We don't get to there without abandoning pearl-clutching attitudes towards the resulting product, among other things.
“If you think sex workers ‘sell their bodies,’ but coal miners do not, your view of labor is clouded by your moralistic view of sexuality.”
If you are going to start a conversation by attacking a strawman, then I really will not get into it.
acting in commercial porn is just as normal and unremarkable as any other job
If this is your idea of being "sex positive" then I really do not want to get into this argument. I can guess this will quickly play out to any objection as "pearl clutching" and I will stick to the point that your attitude is completely dehumanizing and that there is nothing "positive" about reducing sex to the mechanical/physical act.
Like I said in the first comment, if you feel so strongly about this, go ahead and create your own and see how far it goes. When you start putting some Skin In The Game you will get more credibility or at least accept that things are Just Not That Simple.
then I really will not get into it.
Bet.
If this is your idea of being "sex positive" then I really do not want to get into this argument. I can guess this will quickly play out to any objection as "pearl clutching" and I will stick to the point that your attitude is completely dehumanizing and that there is nothing "positive" about reducing sex to the mechanical/physical act.
DEHUMANIZING? Seriously? I guess you actually are a SWERF. You clearly have no claim to the label "sex positive". Why would you even want to identify as such?
The view I expressed here is consistent with how sex workers view themselves. Sex work is work. They're just doing a job. They don't want to be "rescued" by moralizing radfems. They want more pay and better working conditions, the same as most workers.
Like I said in the first comment, if you feel so strongly about this, go ahead and create your own and see how far it goes. When you start putting some Skin In The Game you will get more credibility or at least accept that things are Just Not That Simple.
And as I've said, I'm definitely interested in doing that. If you know of any IT people that want to work on such a project, send them my way. I've got experience with programming, leadership, and community building to bring to the table.
Given your attitude regarding (more than just performative) sex positivity though, I'm not sure why you're egging me on here.
Behold! (nsfw) - no login required, just an “are you 18+?” prompt, which is pretty standard.
I just tried, it's the same on https://lemmynsfw.com/
Like I said, they have to maintain their own patch to make that work, which needs to be updated for each new Lemmy version. It's not something that mainline Lemmy will do.
Perfect! I was looking for a PieFed instance for my next alt.
This is good news that the instance is back up again. But as an Outsiders pov, I'm going to be super hesitant on wanting to interact with the instance since it's already proven to be shut down once.
Being said, I love to see people monopolizing on better technology that have more feature sets, and honestly it looks pretty dang cool
It seems it shut down over Kbin developments. I guess it could have done its users a favour by changing to Mbin, but still... Fair enough. I'm hopeful :)
Jerry also operates fedia.io, which runs Mbin
That's a different Jerry! (Jerry Bell)
Aaah, I got confused!
Definitely not for me. The UI looks worse than Lemmy, which I already can't get behind.
PieFed has some design principles, including being accessible on lower-end devices and for those with unreliable bandwidth, which mean that it's default UI is never going to look like apps which involve downloading a sizable chunk of Typescript.
I'm okay with its look. Partly because it's themeable, and there's a theme called 'Card Shadow' which looks more modern imo. And partly because Lemmy can feel quite slow showing 20 posts at a time, whereas PieFed throws 100 at a time. And also because there will eventually be an API, allowing people to view it how they want (similar to Lemmy - lemmy-ui is maybe not that great, but there's other frontends which I think are an improvement)
I'll stick with mbin.
Fair enough. I'm not trying to recruit you, or present rivalries where none exist. We can communicate reasonably well regardless of whatever platform we prefer, which is the whole point of this Fediverse thingy anyway.
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There's always room for improvement, and your free to submit a pull request.
I'm no coder.