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So you don’t think these patents are going after any aspect of Palworld that players would recognize as a defining feature of a Pokémon game?

I mean, there's like a mechanic where you throw the spheres, right? And this is a very obvious, in your face system [that’s very much like Pokémon]. But I think that it will be a lot more technical than this. Nintendo would have dug through every single action inside the game, they would have probably reverse engineered it, and just find ways to sue these guys. 

You can bet your life that Nintendo hates this company, and they couldn't find an angle with the character designs. This is why they are not mentioned in their press release. So they come with these technical peculiarities. So I personally believe, if you act like this, you can sue like 90 percent of the game developers in the world. I'm sure there's like thousands of games that have a confirmation screen when you go from sleep mode to resuming the game right, but if you basically trigger the wrath of Nintendo, they will come after you.

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[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 130 points 1 month ago (6 children)

This is not business. This is extortion. Palworld has opened a can of worms with a realization that gamers don’t need Pokemon anymore. There can be better alternatives.

[–] disgrunty@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

I mean, the bar is on the ground at this point at best.

It was a painful process, having my love of Pokémon games slowly stripped away until I finally gave up on them. It's hard giving up on something that you've loved from childhood. Pokémon used to be my comfort game and it's now unplayable trash.

The only reason I still have my Switch at all right now is the Zelda franchise because I currently lack the means to emulate. And the occasional sale item from the eShop because I'm not paying full price for a Switch game ever again after they ruined Pokémon.

I'm surprised no one's brought up the hellscape we know as the Nintendo eShop. It's >90% trash.

[–] QuantumEyetanglement@lemdro.id 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Plug for the game cassette beasts! An excellent monster collecting game that feels like a natural progression from early Pokemon

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 14 points 1 month ago

Valid competition vs a super corpo that milked the cow dry. Of course their going to be evil about it.

[–] ToyDork@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If Nintendo actually wins this, I will - as someone who grew up with Pokémon - destroy them as a company. I will slander them into submission if I have to, fuck them if I can't even have a circus to go with my bread.

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[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 57 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Nintendo is one of the worst companies in the videogames world. They need to fail, and I really hope this next switch becomes something worse than WiiU and they disappear from the world.

However, they won't. Their fanatics won't let them. So I can only hope they double down in their anti consumer behaviour to screw as many customers as they can. Because honestly? If after all these years you keep buying a Pokémon game, you deserve to be scammed and abused as a customer.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 month ago (6 children)

They need to fail, and I really hope this next switch becomes something worse than WiiU and they disappear from the world.

However, they won't. Their fanatics won't let them.

Nintendo is famously one of the most cash rich companies out there. A fiscal report from last year indicated they had USD$9 billion in liquid assets.

Nintendo isn't going anywhere anytime soon and it has very little to do with whether or not fanatics "let them".

[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 6 points 1 month ago

Well, I mean, if they are that rich, I'm partial to thinking that it's their fanatics' fault buying every shit they release. If a Pokémon game, being as bad as they are, keeps selling in the millions, nobody but their customers is to blame.

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[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

My hot take is that even before they flushed their goodwill down the toilet, they were a mediocre company. "Here, buy our 500 dollar console with graphics worse than your phone so you can play the Mario game that we added a magic hat to."

Worst and most expensive products in the industry.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Show me a platformer as good as Mario Odyssey not counting A Hat in Time, and I might stop buying from Nintendo. Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are great games too. Saying that they don't offer anything valuable is misguided.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You have to buy their shitty overpriced console to play those. The value nosedives.

And psychonauts 1/2 are right there.

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[–] Kelly@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

most expensive products in the industry.

Counter point: PS5 Pro is au$1200 vs Switch OLED for au$540

[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Counter counterpoint Ps5 pro is modern hardware. Switch internals were outdated at launch and they still cost the same as 7 years ago.

Ps: I do believe Ps5 pro is stupidly overpriced, but that doesn't mean Switch isn't.

Edit: typo

[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 7 points 1 month ago

There's no doubt they've created some very good games in the past. Some of their games have become the standard in their genre, and some others have created a new genre even.

But that can't justify their shitty behavior. Especially now that they only create crap. Sure, breath of the wild was huge, made some incredible things, etc. But what else? Mario Odyssey is just mario 64 v.2, animal crossing? Let's not talk about that shit, and I think Pokémon doesn't even deserve to be mentioned.

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[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 40 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I think people are jumping to the conclusion way too fast. We should wait and see what the actual case is about before making judgements.

[–] zzx@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

I think that conclusion is being come to because Nintendo has a really bad history with patent and legal abuse

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Patents are cancer for software, I'll side with Carmack before Nintendo any day.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Nah. Unless these guys literally stole the code, Nintendo can fuck right off.

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have been boycotting nintendo for a while now. But it seems that for most people, they don't care how horrid a company is so long as they get to consume.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The best example of this is Disney.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What makes Disney particularly difficult to boycott is that it is a monopoly.

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[–] turtlepower@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago

Fuck Nintendo.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you can't beat them, sue them. 🤔

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

The Nintendo way. If someone else is making money, make that your money instead

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nintendo are trolls and have been doing this for a while whenever the competition scared them, before Palworld they sued White Cat Project to give an upper hand to their own Dragalia Lost, that came years later.

I'm glad Dragalia closed down, fuck Nintendo.

https://www.pocketgamer.biz/nintendo-settles-five-year-court-battle-with-white-cat-project-developers/

[–] DrDominate@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Nintendo literally created a patent this year and waited for it to get approved before suing palworld a month after. Clowns over at Nintendo.

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I was a Nintendo fan my entire life. I literally own almost every Nintendo console (no vrboy). Nintendo made the unfortunate decision to not create quality games, but to litigate for profit. I will never go back to Nintendo so long as they still have Gary Bowser's life in their hands. Nintendo has lost life long fans over their action towards competitors, and their inability to make a quality game(say what you want but Pokémon is half assed compared to palworld). I look forward to the eventual bankruptcy filing from Nintendo. I might buy Mario.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Well now I’m hoping that the Switch 2 has a working emulator within a handful of months after release.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think this is a bad take, and the interviewer seems to contradict himself. He suggests that Nintendo goes after companies who copy them, but also mentions another company they've sued for patent infringement for a game that didn't resemble any Nintendo property. So it seems like it has less to do with whether or not you "trigger the wrath of Nintendo", and more whether you use their patents or not.

It should be noted that this is all just conjecture from somebody not related to the case at all. Nothing in this interview reveals any details about the actual case in question.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Their patents are not for technological innovative things at all but are for things like "presenting a confirmation pop-up window after resuming a game from sleep” or for in a isometric game projecting a shadow for a character that's behind something so that the player know it's there.

They're the kind of obvious solutions that any expert in that domain would develop independently if asked to solve that problem, and patent applications for shit like that would be laughed out of the Patent Office anywhere else than Japan (and in the US before their Patent System went to shit in the late 90s).

I very much doubt this shit is valid in Europe unless there's some kind of Treaty that means Japanese patents also apply here. If taken to court in the US such patents would most likely be invalidated - the problem in the US is that the Patent Office will accept any old bollocks obvious to doman experts and containing zero innovation, not that Patent Law actually protects this shit and they will be upheld if somebody has the money needed to dispute them in to Court.

However this is Japan and the Japanese Patent System, so it's probably rotten to the core.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

My money’s on the balls, Nintendo always likes to kick the balls.

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