• Jordan Lund@lemmy.one
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    1 year ago

    It costs money to produce food.

    The more people you want to feed, the more money it costs.

    Food production is not free. Food distribution is not free.

    If you have an alternative to capitalism, I’m open, but you can’t just stamp your feet and go “but it should be free!” It’s not, someone has to pay for the seed, irrigation, fertilization, equipment fuel and labor involved in production and distribution.

    p.s. Is it just me or is it the same people wanting $20+ hour minimum wage who also think food should be free?

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      It costs money to produce food.

      The more people you want to feed, the more money it costs.

      Food production is not free. Food distribution is not free.

      Then it should be a task of the State, as “feeding people” is, quite obviously, a task Too Big to Fail. And, as such, the State can (and should) just automatically print the money needed to reward the work done. Feeding the hungry should not depend on a “budget”. A budget is basically putting a price on human lives.

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          Of course, but maybe destroying the modern economy is a good thing. Things like serving essential needs causing hyperinflation showcases that modern economy is purposefully built to make people lose. No matter what you try to do to help society, something (or rather, someone) counterplays you.

          IMO the real solution is that things that are essential, like food and health, should not depend on money exchange to be provided, period. Sure, producers of food and providers of health should be paid for their work, but that payment should not have a codependence with the fact that the hungry or unhealthy person get the attention they need.

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            1 year ago

            that things that are essential, like food and health, should not depend on money exchange to be provided, period.

            The problem with that is the people providing the food and health services still need to survive.

            Doctors need to pay their rent. Farmers need to buy feed, seed, and fertilizer. Everyone pays for water.

            So once you go down the road of making it impossible to charge for services that need to bring in money to literally keep the lights on, you collapse the economy, and no, that’s NOT a good thing. That road leads to chaos and death.

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              I’m not saying doctors et all should not be paid for their work. I’m saying it should not depend on a money transaction on the afflicted citizen. I think it’s perfectly feasible to, for example, have the State pay for things that are essential, it’s kind of the entire role of the State after all. Or even better, give doctors and providers of those services the same treatment as in not collecting from them for stuff.

              Also, if there’s such things as “companies Too Big To Fail should be handed over to the State”, then that also applies to Tasks Too Big To Fail. Like, you know, keeping your citizens alive. I insist: the core task of the State is to keep the Country alive.

              If that collapses the economy, IMO that’s an indicative that the economy model is not good, or perhaps even unethical.

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      1 year ago

      “Our labor has conquered scarcity”… Bro they’ve conquered scarcity now? I didn’t even know! If someone has conquered the universal reality of scarcity they can ask whatever they want as minimum wage. 🤣