TBH, I think the Israel iron dome system is justified. Bombing Palestinians is not.
this post was submitted on 03 Sep 2024
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One is defensive and one is a genocide over land. Not really a hard choice for sane people.
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There is zero justification for a colonial apartheid ethnostate. Over seventy years of crimes against humanity are not worth defending.
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Cheap for a missile, but using soft power tends to be more effective, both economically and less destructive. You know, like not pissing off all your neighbors and taking folk's land.
but then how will I take their land?
Allow me to introduce the G brothers - Gerrymandering and Gentrification.
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That's actually a very low price for an anti-air missile. For comparison, the Stinger shoulder-fired missile costs more than twice as much. A Patriot missile costs four million dollars (but is much more capable). Presumably minimizing cost was a high priority when this missile was designed. Nonetheless, the cost asymmetry is one reason why degrading the ability of Hamas and Hezbollah to fire missiles at Israel is important.
Absolutely. In the late '80s I was part of an anti-tank guided missile evaluation; each rocket cost around $70k then, so around $185k per today.
Also, depends on what version and flavor of PAC it is
Hamas and Hezbollah are firing any tubes filled with any propellant they can find. you want to reduce the capabilities of groups like Hamas and Hezbollah? don't fucking go around running an apartheid ethnostate and annexing land on the basis of blood and soil.
It's expensive AF to operate which is why Israel has been working hard on "Iron Beam", which uses lasers instead of missiles, to supplement it and reduce the cost of operation. Iron Beam is supposed to become active in 2025.
Ukraine doesn't have Iron Dome because of cost and scale. Israel is 22,145 square kilometers while Ukraine is 603,628 square kilometers. It probably cost 10 Billion to build an Israel sized Iron Dome so a Ukraine sized one would cost upwards of $300 Billion and operating the thing would like be a billion dollars a month for active combat.
As an aside the United States also has ground based directed energy weapons. There's even a 50KW mobile version built on the Stryker platform called DE M-SHORAD. 100KW+ versions are supposed to be rolling out next year.
I hate war and all of that, but shooting missiles with Lasers sounds really fucking cool
Iron Beam sounds like the Temu version of Iron Dome
That doesn’t sound like an unreasonable price for a missile interceptor; those things have to be fast and precise. If anything, it looks like they have reasonable economies of scale going for them.
TIL Each missile fired by Israel cost $15k to build and the US taxpayer paid 40-50k for them to line the pockets of a few billionaires
Sorted that title for you
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We can haz better healthcare and less income inequality?
Look! A communist! Get em!
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Each missile per missile? Dang.
Meanwhile they're not even supplying Gaza with Iron Dome to protect civilians from the ongoing genocide...smh
If you don't mind me ask what does smh mean?
Shake/Shaking my head
I always thought it was 'so much hate'. Have I been wrong this whole time?
Yeah I've never heard it being used as 'so much hate'
Nah. I've been thinking the same all the while on reddit. Trust Lemmy to be a place where I learn things.
Shaking my head
I still read it as "smack my head" even after I learned this. As in "facepalm."
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I usually take SMH as them saying they're nodding in disapproval or judgment. It's kind of like how a wise adult would see two immature kids having a disagreement over something insignificant and easy to resolve, but their egos get in the way. The adult would nod and perhaps sigh or say, "tsk, tsk," to themselves. Anyone else see it this way or differently?
Ugh, that title.
The system can be overwhelmed by having too many incoming rockets, so it does have its limits.
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