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  • Halasham@dormi.zone
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    Actually I’m a Marxist. However don’t see much reason in perpetuating the red/black divide. Both groups have the same end-goal in mind, we just want to do the two major steps in reverse order compared to each-other. The end goal is a stateless society without need of currency and without the division of people into different classes. To drastically oversimplify centuries of work to get there we need to do two things:

    • Abolish Capitalism
    • Abolish Nationalism

    Side note: As you may be able to infer from those two steps Anarcho-Capitalism and National Socialism aren’t really from either system, rather they’ve pretty much just stolen the terms for their use rather that denote relatedness to other Anarcho-s or Socialisms.

    Communists want to do them in the order I presented, generally by seizing control of the State and using it to destroy capitalism then adopting reforms to slowly make the State pointless. Anarchists want to destroy the State first then get rid of Capitalism.

    One big misconception about Anarchism is that it isn’t for chaos and disorder, it’s for the end of unjustified hierarchy. An actual Anarchist experiment would still have social order, rather than be the chaotic social breakdown that is called Anarchism as a means of disinformation. A lot of Anarchist works explain how systems of voluntary cooperation can work and would be helpful to society.

    Unfortunately America’s bad urban design is the product of legal corruption, lobbying, on the part of the automotive industry. Good urban design invalidates any need for a car and so the companies that make and sell cars pour billions into ensuring that ours will continue to be horrible. We used to have trains that went everywhere and they were great but again that was all unraveled for the sake of the dead-last worst way to move people in bulk: cars.

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      I don’t think it’s just in-part due to legal corruption. I mean of course a SLEW of it is racism. Which is fucking bonkers, because white people left the cities to get away from poc only to come back and kick them all out (which is where we’re at right now). I don’t entirely understand this world, let alone this country but I bang my head when I have a solid think about it.

      Capitalism is for sure flawed. I am not sure what the equivalent would be that could be replaced large scale that would sit harmoniously with others and in that sense I am also at a loss.

      I think the concept behind the chaos of anarchy is that the lack of a social contract is in fact what instills the chaos. Because people do not operate well in a space without them. Which I think…was documented with violence. As in, people used to lean heavily on retaliation murder prior to democracy being instilled. But this is just something I am parroting which is a faint memory from my studies. Personally? I don’t know. I do think though, that people without regulation are chaotic in the sense that no matter how much I want to be a “good boss” I always end up being a “fun boss” instead and people only do as much as they think they can get away with doing instead of doing what seems to be the right amount of work for the greater good. This could be a personal bias thing - or just a personality thing in general. I don’t know much else about it though, and these are just some loose thoughts on the matter. Feel free to toss more this way though.

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        Capitalism is for sure flawed. I, and most if not all leftists, would argue that it is inherently flawed. Not in small ways either but in the sort of large ways that make it’s continued use unacceptable. Such as essentially every Human need being denied to some people within the system.

        Capitalism obsessively distributes by market forces that are fundamentally incapable of caring about universality. So long as any human need is distributed by market forces, especially paired with profit as the driving incentive, it doesn’t matter how large the surplus of it is people will be deprived of it.

        I think the concept behind the chaos of anarchy is that the lack of a social contract Well, there’s also the matter that Anarchism and Communism were both relatively recently the targets of the largest and most prolific propaganda machine ever made. US media is incredibly sycophantic toward the government, to the point Russian state media bucks the line more frequently, and has been extremely effective at coloring public opinion on topics the average person knows effectively nothing about, even beyond the USA.

        that people without regulation are chaotic in the sense that no matter how much I want to be a “good boss” I always end up being a “fun boss” instead and people only do as much as they think they can get away with doing instead of doing what seems to be the right amount of work for the greater good.

        You’re a manager? Part of the issue with motivating workers to work without systemic change is that regardless of your managerial style we live in a system where the primary motivating force is fundamentally a death threat: work or die, likely from exposure or starvation.

        Further no matter how good a manager you are they are not receiving the full value of their labor. No company in any capitalist nation employs people at the full value they produce as that would mean net profit for the company from that employee is $0. As the fundamental motivating force for all companies is increasing profit this course of action is effectively impossible as all decision-making at the topmost level is centered around doing the opposite of giving the full value they receive.

        Given that workers, from the company’s perspective, are there to do as much as possible for as little as possible in return is it any wonder that so many of them take the inverse perspective? That they are there to do as little as possible for as much as possible in return.

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          But I will also say I have worked with some really rotten assholes and I am sure everyone here knows them - the lot of people who are like wolves and thieves and it’s not about pay. It’s not about “the right job.” The right job for these kinds of pieces of shit is no job, because no amount of work will ever pique these peoples interest. They are like living children, and they take advantage of everyone around them. They could be payed three figures, one or two - they’d still be real scum suckers. They’re the people who when everyone is pulling holds the rope and pretends to be a part of the team. These people I dislike regardless of who they are and have found a constant distaste for people like them my entire life.

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          I hear you on the top one. This is something I ponder over time to time. On account of being taught that universalism means equality, but it does not mean that everyone’s existence will be grand. And by that I mean - in order to implement such a system I think most people living in developed nations would have to greatly reduce their expected quality of life in order to implement a total social universalism. And of course as you go down the ladder, that would be less than say someone sitting in the middle or the top. But I think it’s unrealistic to think that it would just be the cash cows that would kneel in this situation. Likewise, that they would. As many capitalist lean heavy into some shady idealisms like libertarianism and eugenics. A guy once told me all men have the same twenty-four hours in a day and I told him that’s bullshit. But almost everything around me that I can think of was created pretty much through slave labor (even if I believe in minimalism). And I believe things would have to significantly change in order to create a mindset in which humans were okay with being “less comfortable.” Which is why I always said it’s funny people will treat a dog better than they will a human. I am not saying that I am for capitalism, and I hope you don’t take it as such. What I mean is, I think there needs to be approachable steps and uniting systems laid down in order to make humans see all humans as equals and worth such graces. But as it stands, I am not sure it’s going to happen as a whole. And I’m just here for the ride, as when I leave so does my bloodline.

          I believe in egalitarianism. Maybe on account of being a descendant of several collectivist societies. But I am also a born and bred American, and can’t parade as anything else. I believe hive-minded thinking is weak in many forms, because while change can come quickly - it’s easy to throw away decency in the name of the greater good. I have met and even once loved a handful of west-coast flavored anarchists. I think they work very well together in small commune-y type settings. But I am still uncertain of how they would work with a larger buy-in. Because many of them are actually quite emotional and thoughtful. And most people I’ve met in my travels try their best to stay emotionally numb. Because otherwise they check-in and realize how miserable they truly are. Which I often circle back to thinking about how we might have been as a whole. At least since societies are formed. Or even perhaps the smartest individual I have ever had the privileged to call a friend supposing that perhaps being alive is just a depressing experience to all on some level. On the media, I believe most countries are that way, at least to their own countries. As media is all one giant mind-control machine. And America did really good to setup the game with Hollywood, but I think because of the internet things are more transparent in some senses. And more bogged down (with chatter and bullshit) in another. It’s hard to know what to trust, or to believe in. So it leaves a lot of apathy in its wake.

          I never worked considering the value. But I am a poor advocate in that sense. I think it might be a combination of factors here. But honestly, it’s probably some combination of my mental faculties ultimately. Because I can really only think in a singular relatively extreme way. Regardless of how open I try to be. And I can really only focus on one singular thing at a time, regardless of how hard I try to look at all the spinning plates. My gal always says I’m a great manager because I am charismatic and am a good schemer/churner of things. But I think I really lack in the spaces that both ADHD and Autism affect in which neurotypical people soar. And so ultimately I feel like a weak navigator of the “system” as a whole. Especially on account of being a firm believer of people doing “What they want, not what they are told to.” Which is perhaps the anti-venom of a capitalist boss right there. In my heart of hearts I want to believe that people will do what they believe they should, and that want will spring from that well. Because it’s how I do. If it’s something I feel like doing, I will do it - in any world. Even here. But ultimately I think most people do not work in that way. Because I think most people actually are just barely scraping by because the majority are burnt-out. And honestly, a large chunk of that is from capitalism itself. So yet again - don’t love it. But don’t go into a job being pissed that I am not getting paid my value. Cause if I did, I would never work again as a queer brown female-presenting human being =P!

          I will also say that when I work with kind heart folks, which are my bread and butter - they work with me because we’re all just good to one another. And that’s my favorite kind of work environment. I’m proud that I worked my way up, but I am not my job - I’m me =)!