So far I’m liking this, that in Reddit fuckcars and other subs would become full circle jerks, with any discussion squashed and “me too” comments ruling the day.
So far, I’ve enjoyed that me balanced conversations emerge in Lemmy communities.
Fuck cars have had a lot of good points, but buried in falling to understand other perspectives. Here folks can actually see perspectives that would block their goals, and maybe actually talk about some paths forward that might get both sides living with it.
The corporate/political agents haven’t infiltrated Lemmy yet like they have reddit and radicalized these groups so you see less radicals. Give it time and we will attract our paid pipers
Oh the car companies probably, I’m not saying it’s happening but it’s an age old tactic to fund groups with extreme options, you hype them up into saying things like ‘no one needs a car’ then you put in your other hat and go over to everyone else saying 'look at this crazy, they say no one needs car but that’s because the don’t understand rural areas/ disabled people / women / trade workers… (Delete as appropriate for the person you’re talking to)
Then if they hear a sensible argument against cars the man in the hat says ‘oh they’re trying to sneak in the fuckcars stuff my the back door, remember how they want to take your car away because they don’t care about your situation…’
Again I’m not saying this is what’s happening, I’m just saying how a very common tactic of PR happens, the oil companies have done it loads.
Car companies. They just make the community so toxic that the car-heads will never listen to anything associate with the group. They also use tactics like make in and out groups so you either belong or you’re one of them. Here we’re family.
But the best strategy is usurping groups by helping the most unpalatable people rise to the top.
Ask yourself who was the last charming social justice advocate? Its probably been decades.
Bugs bunny nailed it when he said “if you can’t beat em, join em” there is more bang for the buck by creating and promoting unpalatable groups then there is in fighting them.
Imo it’s because most of the “fuckcars” types are not “pro density” or “pro transit” types. They literally only care about “fuck cars, bikes rule”. Usually upper middle class WASPy types. High overlap with NIMBYs.
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Judging from the top rated comments, this post is surprisingly controversial for fuckcars.
Lemmy is just too small so it doesn’t attract the same hard core crowd that it did on reddit. Lemmy also promotes controversial comments by default.
So far I’m liking this, that in Reddit fuckcars and other subs would become full circle jerks, with any discussion squashed and “me too” comments ruling the day.
So far, I’ve enjoyed that me balanced conversations emerge in Lemmy communities.
Fuck cars have had a lot of good points, but buried in falling to understand other perspectives. Here folks can actually see perspectives that would block their goals, and maybe actually talk about some paths forward that might get both sides living with it.
I mean now it is more the other way around. I have scrolled way too much to never find any actual fuck cars member or maybe they are just hypocrites.
Well you do get that, the poster for example. And generally you see replies that are clearly from fuck cars perspective.
Neither sure of the discussion is able to participate without at least seeing the other perspective, which seems healthier.
The corporate/political agents haven’t infiltrated Lemmy yet like they have reddit and radicalized these groups so you see less radicals. Give it time and we will attract our paid pipers
Who do you think would be funding these “paid pipers” in an anti car community?
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Oh the car companies probably, I’m not saying it’s happening but it’s an age old tactic to fund groups with extreme options, you hype them up into saying things like ‘no one needs a car’ then you put in your other hat and go over to everyone else saying 'look at this crazy, they say no one needs car but that’s because the don’t understand rural areas/ disabled people / women / trade workers… (Delete as appropriate for the person you’re talking to)
Then if they hear a sensible argument against cars the man in the hat says ‘oh they’re trying to sneak in the fuckcars stuff my the back door, remember how they want to take your car away because they don’t care about your situation…’
Again I’m not saying this is what’s happening, I’m just saying how a very common tactic of PR happens, the oil companies have done it loads.
Car companies. They just make the community so toxic that the car-heads will never listen to anything associate with the group. They also use tactics like make in and out groups so you either belong or you’re one of them. Here we’re family.
But the best strategy is usurping groups by helping the most unpalatable people rise to the top.
Ask yourself who was the last charming social justice advocate? Its probably been decades.
Bugs bunny nailed it when he said “if you can’t beat em, join em” there is more bang for the buck by creating and promoting unpalatable groups then there is in fighting them.
As a corporate/political agent, whose main source of income is his paid piping on Lemmy, I take offense to this comment.
A good amount of them also seem to be unaware of middle housing (still have your own house, with much, much, much less sprawl)
Exactly! Townhouses/multi family homes are amazing. I can’t wait to own one when I’m older.
I’ve noticed that once a post gets enough up votes (and presumably starts to appear in people’s ‘all’ feeds), some different opinions start to appear.
Imo it’s because most of the “fuckcars” types are not “pro density” or “pro transit” types. They literally only care about “fuck cars, bikes rule”. Usually upper middle class WASPy types. High overlap with NIMBYs.