Why?!? This is like asking the courts to pardon Weinstein! The answer should be no and no petition should sway that
What the fuck were the people signing it thinking, creepy shithole Hollywood is
100% I want to see the names, so they can be shamed for this!!
The op put a link there to imdb with everyone, but from the wiki page: petition was signed by many prominent individuals in the film industry including Guillermo del Toro, Martin Scorsese, Sam Mendes, David Lynch, Wes Anderson, Michael Mann, Woody Allen, Darren Aronofsky, Harrison Ford, Jeremy Irons, and Wong Kar-wai. Several signatories, including Emma Thompson and Natalie Portman, later retracted their names from the petition or expressed regret over signing it.
Surprised by a couple of them
Damn they even got Woody Allen? And he seemed like such a nice man. The kind of man youd want fathering your daughter.
Natalie Portman and Emma Thompson, makes me sooo sad to see that!
Unsurprisingly Weinstein, as well as Woody Allen (and I can’t be bothered to search through the list, but I’m sure at least a couple of others with at least accusations to their name) signed it.
When those are the people standing by you, it might be better to just sit down.
Disappointing, but not surprising
I just put eyedrops in my eyes and thought the thumbnail was Todd Howard, lol.
Not endorsing, just reporting. The reason is likely that the man apologized and made peace with the victim decades ago, and they (like the victim) are also of the opinion that Polanski was set up by a crooked judge who was going to exploit the situation and really ruin Polanski’s life with a last minute extreme punishment for a bit of fame; that Polanski left the country not to evade the accusation, but rather the life-ending punishment he heard the judge had in store for him, and that spending half his life in exile is a kind of ‘time served’ for a guy who, again, has since made amends for his crime with the person who was the victim of that crime. Essentially, these Hollywood people are saying, he’s one of our greatest artists, and the matter has been settled everywhere but in the American justice system for long enough that the matter ought to be dropped.
He drugged and raped/sodomized a 13 year old. You don’t deserve to come back from that.
Jesus fuck I can’t believe I have to write that out.
(Not directed at you.)
Not doubting this or anything. But do you have a link to anything good on this offhand. Admittedly I’m not super informed. I know kind of the basics but nothing of what’s happened since the original incident. I will say that this probably sounds like it the most logical and rational explanation for all of this.
Sure. Here’s one for example. Geimer’s take is 100% going to ruffle feathers; when she speaks about her angle on feminism, I mean. But the thing that makes this one philosophically very interesting to chew on, in a “what would Jesus do” kind of way, is that, again, she is the victim, and she was even ‘over it’ at the time it happened.
I think people are very quick to extrapolate out that understanding a position like Geimer’s is tantamount to a tacit endorsement of the kind of abuse she suffered, or of letting people off the hook willy-nilly. I find it the sort of idea-challenging wrinkle that makes existing as a human being so fascinating.
When we think about crime and punishment, morals and ethics, abuse and victimhood, we really, very often, just do not know how to handle something like a person saying, “no, this is my problem, not yours, and I’m saying this has been overblown”, or whatever the case may be. Or like, to put it another way, when a family of a murder victim don’t believe, for religious or whatever other reasons, in the death penalty, and they advocate against the death penalty for the person who murdered their loved one.
I think it’s really important that we sit with those challenging thoughts rather than gloss over them. Glossing things over is really easy, and it’s a kind of intellectual shortcutting that often gets us into more and more difficult positions where we find it impossible to see eye to eye…in cases like this, even with the people who we’re trying to stick up for. Somebody can can definitely think Geimer is wrong, but they can’t deny that it’s at least her right to feel how she feels, because she’s the one we’re all arguing about.
That said, there were a few other accusations about Polanski at that time, and I don’t know much about them because Geimer’s was, as I understand it, the one for which he was going to court. Unsure if there was ever litigation on those others.
I can’t remember where I saw it, but there’s some interesting video footage of her talking about this stuff as well. More on those notes about how she feels to watch other people get riled up in her defense even while she’s sitting here telling them they don’t have a right to. It’s certainly all a lot of food for thought.
Now, again, if those ideas were coming out of a white person’s mouth–a Rand Paul, let’s say–someone like me might find them problematic and disagreeable
Not gonna lie dude that’s a weird take. Don’t understand that mindset at all.
Enjoyed the rest though. Great post.
Sure. At that point I was so deep in a long internet comment I was bound to express myself poorly. I guess I just mean that context is important. A dominant group person telling a person from a non-dominant group they just need to get their act together has all sorts of baggage that is different from a person within that non-dominant group expressing a similar idea. Of course McWhorter and, say, Rand Paul, are different people with different ideas…I was just swinging wild for my shoddy example, I guess. All I mean, is, I’m more inclined to listen to a black man’s take on black culture than a white man’s take. And to loop all the way back to the point, I’m inclined to listen to Geimer’s take over, say, random internet commenters with no actual stake in the matter. But my hearing out how Geimer feels doesn’t just mean that she speaks for all sexual assault victims, or that I can’t value just as much another sexual assault victim’s opposing attitude on the subject of sexual assault, or even on Geimer’s own situation. I just mean bias and prejudice are inescapable, complicated components of discussions like these.
I don’t think I’m doing any better right now so I’m just going to knock it off, but I appreciate you giving my sloppy comments some consideration. It’s very gracious of you. And since this is the internet I must clarify I’m not being sarcastic.
You are doing much better now in terms of my understanding
I dig your take.
Ah yes, “time served” by having to live in France is good enough.
He’s in Switzerland, that’s fairly harsh.
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