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  • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
    11·
    5 months ago

    So “communists” are aligned with western backed and funded opposition groups? That’s kind of sus don’t you think? I mean come on, it’s gotta raise some red flags for you about what kind of “socialist parties” these are that associate with liberal NGOs and participate in color revolution attempts.

    Maybe learn about the politics of the state before you make your judgments? The communist party is a small part of the coalition of parties attempting to block the Georgian dream party. I highly doubt they are receiving any help from any foreign NGO, they align themselves with those who do because they understand the threat that ivanishvili poses.

    NGOs and participate in color revolution attempts.

    Lol, you do know that the Georgian dream party is made up by the leadership of the rose revolution, right?

    Again with this word “authoritarian”. Funny how it’s always used against governments the West doesn’t like. It’s a very unserious word used by unserious people.

    Be mad at the dictionary I guess? I don’t control how governments arrange their hierarchical structures. Also, the US is friends with plenty of authoritarian countries.

    Now, the undoubtedly reactionary nature of these governments aside, isn’t it objectively a good thing that they are behaving that way?

    Not for the Georgian people…

    That they are undermining the western hegemonistic order for their own selfish interests?

    I think that’s a highly reductive interpretation that relies on oversimplified concepts of global politics, and political language.

    Hungary for instance has been a real thorn in the side of the pro-Ukraine warmongers in the EU and NATO.

    Have they really stopped anything, has this benefited Russia or the people of Hungary in any meaningful way? Also, I’d hardly call countries defending against an invasion the “warmongers” of the situation.

    Don’t you want dissent and disunity in the imperialist camp? I certainly do.

    Which imperialist camp?

    • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.mlOP
      1·
      5 months ago

      The communist party is a small part of the coalition of parties attempting to block the Georgian dream party.

      So if it’s acceptable for those “communists” to join forces with western backed color revolution agents, then surely it is not a big deal for other communists to critically support the Georgian government in its suppressing of said color revolutionists and reconciliation with Russia. Since we have abandoned any pretense of moral purity anyway…

      I’d hardly call countries defending against an invasion the “warmongers” of the situation.

      If that’s what you think is happening you haven’t been paying attention. You’re just regurgitating the western mainstream media’s propaganda narrative, which as usual is the exact opposite of reality.

      Yes they are the warmongers, they are the ones who purposely engineered the conflict and who continue to needlessly prolong it to Ukraine’s detriment, all while their reckless and desperate escalations risk widening the conflict and put us all in danger.

      They are not defending anything, they are merely using Ukraine to try and harm Russia. When just like Georgia, Ukraine’s interests would be best served by refusing to continue to be a western puppet and mending ties with Russia instead, that’s just a fact.

      Have they really stopped anything, has this benefited Russia or the people of Hungary in any meaningful way?

      So far they’ve prevented Hungary being drawn into to the conflict. Hungary has wisely refused to send weapons to the conflict zone, recognizing that by doing so it only prolongs the conflict and gets more Ukrainians and Russians killed.

      Of course it has benefited the people of Hungary. While other NATO and EU countries ruin their economies and impoverish their people with anti-Russian sanctions and billions flushed down the toilet in the corrupt black hole that is Ukraine, Hungary has looked out for its own people’s interest and kept energy prices and inflation low.

      When other NATO countries send their soldiers to die in Ukraine, Hungarian soldiers will still be safe in their own country. And when Russia strikes back at other NATO countries that have made the mistake of making themselves a co-belligerent in the conflict, Hungary will remain untouched.

      Turns out having good relations with and refusing to be drawn into conflict against a nearby major power is good for your people. I know, what a shocker!

      Which imperialist camp?

      There is only one imperialist camp

      • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
        11·
        5 months ago

        So if it’s acceptable for those “communists” to join forces with western backed color revolution agents

        So in your theory, the opposition parties are committing a color revolution…in a country that has had the same government since the Georgian Dream party did a color revolution?

        Do you know what a color revolution is?

        Also, it is quite arrogant of you to assume you know more about what’s good for Georgian communist than Georgian communist.

        that’s what you think is happening you haven’t been paying attention.

        I could lay the same claims at your feet? However, my argument is pretty well bolstered by the fact that only one nation is actually on someone else’s sovereign territory.

        Yes they are the warmongers, they are the ones who purposely engineered the conflict and who continue to needlessly prolong it to Ukraine’s detriment.

        Lol, you don’t think the people ordering bombs being dropped on civilians may have something to do with Ukrainian’s detriment?

        Next you’re going to claim that Palestine engineered their own genocide…

        There is only one imperialist camp

        Only if narrow the definition of imperialism to the point where it looses its inherent meaning.

        • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.mlOP
          1·
          5 months ago

          So in your theory, the opposition parties are committing a color revolution

          They certainly tried. What else would you call it when western backed NGOs organize astroturfed protests and violent riots aimed at toppling the elected government because the government is trying to pass a law that would expose foreign funding of said NGOs? When western politicians shamelessly go to Georgia to participate in and support the protests, just like they did in Ukraine on the Maidan in 2014?

          It doesn’t get much more transparent. Next you will claim that the Maidan coup was just a “peaceful revolution”, or that the violent western-funded mob in Hong Kong were just “pro-democracy activists”?

          only one nation is actually on someone else’s sovereign territory.

          NATO troops have been in Ukraine since 2014 and Ukrainian troops have been on Russian territory since 2022 when the new oblasts voted in a referendum to join Russia.

          you don’t think the people ordering bombs being dropped on civilians may have something to do with Ukrainian’s detriment?

          I do think that, which is why i said that the Nazi Kiev regime that was put in place by a western orchestrated coup is harming Ukraine.

          They are the ones who have been dropping bombs on civilians in Donetsk and Lugansk since 2014. Them doing so forced Russia to intervene to protect those people and as a result there is now a larger conflict in Ukraine.

          Next you’re going to claim that Palestine engineered their own genocide

          Comparing Palestinians with Nazis who want to commit ethnic cleansing is grotesque genocide apologetics and literally a Zionist talking point. This shows to me that you are not engaging in good faith. Good bye.

          • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
            01·
            5 months ago

            Well…they tried. What else would you call it when western backed NGOs organize astroturfed protests and violent riots aimed at toppling the elected government because the government is trying to pass a law that would expose foreign funding of said NGOs?

            Well typically a revolution would require a change in the status quo, not a protest against the government rapidly shifting policy.

            They aren’t trying to create a revolution, they are trying to preserve the status quo. The reason they are upset is because it’s the same policy Orban used before cracking down on independent journalism.

            NATO troops have been in Ukraine since 2014

            Lol, invited of course. That’s not invading someone…

            Ukrainian troops have been on Russian territory since 2022 when the new oblasts voted in a referendum to join Russia.

            Lol, and now it’s okay for foreign governments influence voting…

            Color revolution bad, Russia funding and arming separatist groups all over eastern Europe good.

            Them doing so forced Russia to intervene to protect those people and as a result there is now a larger conflict in Ukraine.

            Those people Russia armed and agitated against the government in the first place? How many of Russia’s neighbors actively have armed separatist regions being bolstered by Russian troops? Surely it’s just a coincidence, and surely Russia has a long history of being very empathetic towards minority groups…

            Comparing Palestinians with Nazis who want to commit ethnic cleansing is grotesque genocide apologetics and literally a Zionist talking point.

            My dude, you are literally repeating nationalist talking points. Maybe take your own advice and consume sources that aren’t funded by the Russian state.

            This shows to me that you are not engaging in good faith

            I very much doubt you ever engage with anyone in good faith.