I was never extremely active on Mastodon until recently but I followed it’s development relatively closely from its infancy. And I will say that it’s really strange to watch lemmy face nearly identical issues that Mastodon did when it was in a similar development stages. (Though, some of the drama thus far have been essentially a speedrun of what mastodon went thru over a gradual amount of time.)

The fediverse as a whole is essentially a return to the Internets roots, and with that comes new problems that OG internet communities did not have to grapple with due to the changes the internet has faced in the past few years alone. When building communities, most large internet communities have been largely corporate since the rapid centralization of the internet of the mid 2000s. There is truly no blueprint for this, and the volunteers that are making these communities from scratch are going to make mistakes (as we have already witnessed more than once, even this week alone.)

A large issue that has resulted from the corporate centralization of the internet that is really hard to break from is the expectation of an extremely smooth streamlined experience on emerging platforms like lemmy from new users. And you aren’t going to get that in these early days. You just aren’t. Things are going to be messy, we are just getting our feet on the ground. And this results in a lot of frustration and just generally a feeling of walking on thin ice with a user base that has been largely built initially from the exodus of an already established platform. To many regular lemmy users there’s this expectation that tends to be “well, if other social media platforms can do it, why can’t we?” and to admins and those building these communities it can be frustrating and feel like the users are being entitled to things that just aren’t possible from volunteers at this time.

With recent drama and inter community issues, the honeymoon phase of this place is officially ending and how we move forward is entirely dependent on how we respond as a community as well as what people using this platform as a whole want from it. You get what you put in.

I don’t say this to discount the drama that lemmy has faced these past few weeks but if you honestly think that this place has been toxic so far, the early days of Mastodon would have seemed like pure hell in comparison. Early Mastodon drama was like, doxxings, entire instance admins quite literally being chasing off their own sites over petty nonsense, things like that. It was bad. Really bad. And despite the existence of fedidrama, that stuff has stabilized. Why? Because the community stabilized and gradually formed their own cultures and the community volunteers building communities learned from their mistakes. People moved to smaller communities and stopped being hostile to decentralization. The necessity of defederation was embraced by most who began to understand its importance.

Some of the biggest issues lemmy has right now aren’t easy to solve, but we have a blueprint to what solutions worked and what didn’t from Mastodon. There’s also the issue with lemmy having a generally different culture from Mastodon, and that’s OK. We want our own community identity, not the same as Reddit or Mastodon or Twitter. In many ways that is already being built as well.

Right now, the biggest thing is just sticking with this place and persevering the growing pains. It is so easy to get burnt out, and the Mastodon instances that got too big for the admins to actually deal with are clear examples of that. I know it’s easy to look at recent events and feel disappointment as well as feel that just generally the most toxic Redditors migrated over, but doing that is just giving up before we even began. If you used Mastodon in it’s early days, it fucking sucked so bad. We have a leg up here that it’s overall easier to navigate communities and discussions out of the box (and with the current development, it’s only going to get better.)

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    1 year ago

    Yeah, OP wrote a lengthy essay without mentioning even once what he’s referring to…

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      @Blizzard

      Essay? It was a wall of text without any paragraph breaks. Very hard to read, so I gave up trying to understand what the heck the OP was talking about. What Drama? This is the Fedi, like another poster says, there will always be drama on the Fediverse. It’s not corporate, thankfully.

      @Mane25

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            Do you see paragraph breaks here?

            New paragraph.

            New paragraph.

            If not then your tool is probably combining them or something.

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              @JackbyDev Yup perfect paragraph breaks. Tut and toot are very mature mastodon clients, so it’s more probable the issue is on the other end, somehow. Also the first time in many years I’ve even seen such broken formatting as the OP.

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                Maybe it handles Lemmy posts and Lemmy comments differently. Also makes me wonder if OP inadvertently used some different character for line breaks.

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                    curl https://literature.cafe/post/641633

                    The text ‘A large issue’ appears multiple times in the payload (frankly, surprisingly many).

                    Inspecting it with xxd:

                    00004530: 6f6e 652e 295c 6e5c 6e41 206c 6172 6765  one.)\n\nA large
                    

                    Further down in the output (and the only case of this happening):

                    000487a0: 6c6f 6e65 2e29 2041 206c 6172 6765 2069  lone.) A large i
                    

                    In this instance, The A (character 41 in hex) is preceded by 20 which is a space.

                    The number of times it shows up:

                    % xxd post.txt| grep 'A large' | wc -l
                          27
                    

                    It’s possible that your reader is using the wrong instance of the text… but also a “why are there that many copies?!”