nazi or nazism (a form of fascism ) is an anti-intellectual and politically semi-illiterate ideology lacking cohesion, a product of mass culture which allowed its followers emotional attachment and offered a simplified and easily-digestible world-view based on a political mythology for the masses.
From wiki:
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
in short: racism,bigotry,suppression and the belief that one’s ideology is better for the masses.
so you tell me,when the extreme left wingers are found not guilty of doing the same as their right wing counter parts?? or you are saying people who advocate leftist ideals, who supresses opposing views aren’t exactly leftist but fascists promoting equality,acceptance,diversity or tolerance??
so you tell me,when the extreme left wingers are found not guilty of doing the same as their right wing counter parts??
I’m not sure what you’re asking here. Are you suggesting that modern leftists are fascists?
The origin of this conversation was the your idea that left- and right-wing extremism is the same. My position is they are different. I’m not saying that people on the far left don’t do some of the things that the Nazis did. It would be impossible, really, I mean they also built roads but I’m not about to call civil engineers Nazis. Looking at modern (i.e. neo-) Nazis, my point is that they are not comparable to left-wing extremists around today. Their views are not similar, their goals are not similar, their methods are not similar. Can you find a racist leftist? Of course. Can you find a non-racist Nazi? No.
I’ll stop using Nazis or neo-Nazis as examples, though, because it’s clearly not helpful. Consider white supremacists, instead, if that helps.
Going back to the other commenter who shared the blog post - we see that far right extremism is responsible for >90% of extremist murders in the US in recent years. Clearly far left extremism cannot compete! The trans activists you mentioned earlier, are they similar? Are they going out and killing people? I glossed over it before but your point was that they “label” anyone who “disagrees with them” as a transphobe… Even if you disagree with that label, it hardly seems comparable to killing people. ___
the idea here is left wingers are also completely capable of behaving like right wingers. both end of the extreme aren’t that much different in a sense that they are basically extremes that drives people to behaving badly, uncivil,intolerant and discrimitory.
while one side is more violent than the other,it does not absolve them of the violence they commit no matter the justification and violence as we all know, comes in different forms.
if nazi is a word specifically reserved for a group of individuals then extremists would have been a better word to use,given the 2 extremes aren’t necessary better than the other but is equally bad if left unchecked.
“Extremism” doesn’t inherently mean “violent.” Equating those with far-left views with “bad and violent” views is unsubstantiated.
Every single claim you’ve made, that extremism is bad because it drives people to “behave badly” is unsubstantiated. You’re arguing off of vibes alone.
The two extremes are not “equally bad.” On the far-right, you have genocide and ethno-states under brutal fascist rule, on the far left you have a stateless, classless, moneyless society.
here’s mine:
nazi or nazism (a form of fascism ) is an anti-intellectual and politically semi-illiterate ideology lacking cohesion, a product of mass culture which allowed its followers emotional attachment and offered a simplified and easily-digestible world-view based on a political mythology for the masses.
From wiki:
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
in short: racism,bigotry,suppression and the belief that one’s ideology is better for the masses.
so you tell me,when the extreme left wingers are found not guilty of doing the same as their right wing counter parts?? or you are saying people who advocate leftist ideals, who supresses opposing views aren’t exactly leftist but fascists promoting equality,acceptance,diversity or tolerance??
I’m not sure what you’re asking here. Are you suggesting that modern leftists are fascists?
The origin of this conversation was the your idea that left- and right-wing extremism is the same. My position is they are different. I’m not saying that people on the far left don’t do some of the things that the Nazis did. It would be impossible, really, I mean they also built roads but I’m not about to call civil engineers Nazis. Looking at modern (i.e. neo-) Nazis, my point is that they are not comparable to left-wing extremists around today. Their views are not similar, their goals are not similar, their methods are not similar. Can you find a racist leftist? Of course. Can you find a non-racist Nazi? No.
I’ll stop using Nazis or neo-Nazis as examples, though, because it’s clearly not helpful. Consider white supremacists, instead, if that helps.
Going back to the other commenter who shared the blog post - we see that far right extremism is responsible for >90% of extremist murders in the US in recent years. Clearly far left extremism cannot compete! The trans activists you mentioned earlier, are they similar? Are they going out and killing people? I glossed over it before but your point was that they “label” anyone who “disagrees with them” as a transphobe… Even if you disagree with that label, it hardly seems comparable to killing people. ___
the idea here is left wingers are also completely capable of behaving like right wingers. both end of the extreme aren’t that much different in a sense that they are basically extremes that drives people to behaving badly, uncivil,intolerant and discrimitory.
while one side is more violent than the other,it does not absolve them of the violence they commit no matter the justification and violence as we all know, comes in different forms.
if nazi is a word specifically reserved for a group of individuals then extremists would have been a better word to use,given the 2 extremes aren’t necessary better than the other but is equally bad if left unchecked.
“Extremism” doesn’t inherently mean “violent.” Equating those with far-left views with “bad and violent” views is unsubstantiated.
Every single claim you’ve made, that extremism is bad because it drives people to “behave badly” is unsubstantiated. You’re arguing off of vibes alone.
The two extremes are not “equally bad.” On the far-right, you have genocide and ethno-states under brutal fascist rule, on the far left you have a stateless, classless, moneyless society.