• rtxn@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    7·
    7 months ago

    Read this and your brain might get a new wrinkle: it’s possible to appreciate multiple distributions for their own merits.

    • lengau@midwest.social
      4·
      7 months ago

      Seriously… At SCaLE this year I saw people from various distro booths taking breaks and visiting other distro booths. Each time they looked genuinely interested and excited about what the other distro was doing.

        • lengau@midwest.social
          2·
          7 months ago

          I kinda feel like there’s very little overlap between distro fans and distro developers. Probably because distro devs tend to know all the dirty secrets of their distro.

          You go on Reddit or wherever and it’s all “distro X is evil, use distro Y instead,” “No, Y is terrible! Use Z!” And then you sit at a table with a SuSE developer, a Fedora developer and an Ubuntu developer and the conversation is all “so how are you guys dealing with this issue?” “Oh, I think we came up with a great solution, I’ll share the patch set with you!” “Wonderful, thanks! By the way I opened up a merge request on your stuff because we figured out how to fix that namespaces issue.”

    • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
      2·
      7 months ago

      Capitalism thrives on exclusivity, teaching people that others doing the same thing is competition and not friendship.

  • DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    5·
    7 months ago

    I see more posts complaining about annoying arch users than I actually see annoying arch users

    That being said, hell yeah mint

  • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
    5·
    7 months ago

    The true Linux users are the ones that realize that all Linux is the same. The only differences is package management, Desktop Environment, and customization by the Distro creator.

    You can literally just install Debian stable with Cinnamon DE and get basically Linux Mint on Debian. Bonus points for adding backports so you get a slightly more updated kernel.

    I know this is a joke, but you should use whatever distro you want to use…because at the end of the day it’s all Linux.

  • Diplomjodler@feddit.de
    3·
    7 months ago

    Well, I’m still in the noob stage and i intend to stay there. My OS is just a means to an end and Mint is perfect for that.

    • Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social
      1·
      7 months ago

      Saaaame. Been using Mint almost exclusively for 5-10 yrs and i still feel like im playing in the wading pool of what u can do with it. I learn more as I need to, and generally enjoy that process. I always feel super satisfied with myself when i use the terminal, even if its sudo apt-get install Firefox.

  • Ilflish@lemm.ee
    2·
    7 months ago

    The only way to win the argument is to come up with an association that has nothing to do with computers at all.

    I use Linux Mint because I like Mint Ice Cream

    • tswiftchair@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      Yeah I agree with the sentiment, use whatever is good for you, but I feel like most advanced linux users are not using Mint. They typically come to the realization that everything is either Debian, Arch, or build it yourself so they use one of those.

  • stebator@lemmy.world
    1·
    7 months ago
    • Don’t forget, that the Mint developers and developers of other “user-friendly distros” do very hard work, so you can enjoy less-hassle distro.
    • But it is very boring for “Never Settle” philosophy to use such distros.
    • Don’t forget, that some people enjoy tinkering thing around them. Mint, Pop!_OS, Fedora etc are simply not interesting for them. They choose the hardest possible way and enjoy it.
  • ramius345@sh.itjust.works
    1·
    7 months ago

    Use Linux professionally. Worked with RHEL for years. Current gig uses Debian servers. Daily driver is a system 76 machine with the pop OS that came on it. Debian derivatives make great daily drivers for those of us that just need a browser, terminal, working wifi, and the ability to build and run containers.

  • funkajunk@lemm.eeEnglish
    1·
    7 months ago

    I used archinstall to setup my laptop with Gnome and only use pamac-nosnap for package management (flatpak is fine, but fuck snaps).

    I made the most noob Arch install ever and I love it.

  • CronyAkatsuki@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz
    1·
    7 months ago

    I would hapilly use linux mint if only it didn’t use apt, honestly don’t like it as a package manager.

    Ghere is also the fact that mint will have older versions of packages, for example neovim which I need to be latest version always.

    That’s why I loved arch and gentoo before, for their package managers and roling distro nature.

    Now I’m on nixos unstable and it’s currently my favourite unbreakable distro, and the nix package manager is really good and making my own pqckages is really easy.

    • Guenther_Amanita@feddit.de
      1·
      7 months ago

      I don’t like apt too as much. But, interface-wise, you can make it way better with Nala, which is a frontend for it.

      NixOS is too complicated and demanding for most users, who aren’t programmers or hobbyists, imo.
      I prefer Fedora Atomic. It has the same pros (unbreakable, highly configurable with universal-blue.org, etc.) but feels way more user friendly.
      I use it with Distrobox on top, so I can use my package manager/ distro of choice (turned out to be Arch btw) on a extremely reliable system.

      For your case, you can replicate Mint by just installing the Cinnamon image from uBlue and applying some minimal tweaks.
      Then you get the user friendliness from Mint with the flexibility and unbreakability from NixOS. Do you like the idea? Just in case you get annoyed by NixOS in the future 🙃

      • TheFadingOne@feddit.de
        1·
        7 months ago

        I don’t think OSTree systems can quite reach the flexibility of NixOS. For instance with NixOS (with direnv and nix-shells) you can essentially swap out your running system based on the different directories you enter and I think that’s still just scraping the top of the iceberg. From my experience with OSTree (which is admittedly somewhat limited) I don’t think you can reach that level of flexibility.

        It’s still really cool, I don’t mean to shit on that, I’m just saying NixOS and OSTree have different pros and cons and use cases.

      • gramgan@lemmy.ml
        1·
        7 months ago

        I like the idea of the fedora immutable distros, but the reliance on flatpak makes me a bit nervous (guess I’m just old-fashioned)… I think some kind of solution that puts a stable system like Debian or immutable fedora with a package manager like Nix might be very good (I know the U-Blue guys have been playing with homebrew?)

        • Guenther_Amanita@feddit.de
          1·
          7 months ago

          You can still install Nix (package manager) on Atomic, on uBlue, it even comes pre-installed afaik.

          And also, there’s Distrobox, which is totally enough if you prefer package managers over Flatpaks.
          I personally like the “reliance” on Flatpaks. I think it reduces the fragmentation and makes it easier for devs, but that’s just my opinion. Do as you prefer.

    • punkhazard@feddit.de
      0·
      7 months ago

      What do you not like about apt? Genuinely curious, never used anything besides apt/apt-get and aptitude. Am I missing out?

      • Norgur@fedia.io
        2·
        7 months ago

        If you never do more than update, upgrade, install and remove, then just skip every post recommending different distros for their package manager. For you (as for most users), it will not make the slightest difference if you are using apt, packman, whatever else. If there’s something you want your package manager to do but it can’t, you’ll know. And if it comes to that, you can start diving into the different managers and which one is best suited for the specific thing you want to do.

        But it has to be mentioned that aptitude does not have super cow powers of course.

      • CronyAkatsuki@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz
        1·
        7 months ago

        You don’t miss out on anything if it does what you need.

        For me apt is just slow and clunky, don’t like the way some of the commands are and they are long, I prefer the way that pacman and portage do it where I can make commands be sinple and only be couple characters instead of whole words.

        I liked pacman because it was fast, and it was really easy to block a package from upgrading and downgrading packages is really easy.

        I liked portage because it worked with program’s sources so I was able to just remove part’s of program’s and their dependencies I didn’t need.

        I like nix now because of the way it manages dependencies, and for the fact that packaing programs in it is really easy to do.

        • Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social
          2·
          7 months ago

          That first sentence is what I love about Linux bros. For all the supposed gatekeeping and pretentiousness that goes on in these circles, i find this to be much more representative of my experience. As i said elsewhere in the thread, im really not very well versed in all that Linux is/can be. And yet, somehow someway, ive never really felt put down for it when seeking help.

          Before this comment, i honestly didnt know there could be such preferences to ur package managers.

        • Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          For me, it’s quite the opposite. I love that apt commands are so close to natural language.

        • EntropyPure@lemmy.world
          1·
          7 months ago

          Nala is a great apt frontend. It supports parallel downloads of packages and speeds up the whole process up a lot.

          Not sure which commands irk you as too long. Nala makes a good overview of changes like which package is bumped to what version and where it stands now. So I basically only use

          nala upgrade

          and take it from there. Updates the sources, lists the diff for upgradable packages and ask me to go forward or abort.

          • CronyAkatsuki@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz
            01·
            7 months ago

            Just the pure act of installing a package is longer than with pacman for example.

            And the way that apt has seperated regular package and -dev packages irks me a lot when I need a library for something I need to make sure to install a =dev package compared to most other package manager where libraries are installed with the lackage itself.

    • fiddlestix@lemmy.world
      0·
      7 months ago

      I’m in the same boat as you, but haven’t tried making my own packages. Is there a guide somewhere I can follow?

      • CronyAkatsuki@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz
        1·
        7 months ago

        I mostly just searched nixos how to package pyrhon/go/rust/ program or nixos how to package sddm theme/gtk/...

        The best resource honestly are the randon blogposts since the wiki itself is really bad.

        I also recommend the channel vimjoyer.

        I also recommend to get into the habit of searching for options on https://search.nixos.org/options and for packages on https://search.nixos.org/packages which are great resources to know what you can set or install and already packages.

        You can also check my nixos config on examples for how to package sddm theme and shell scripts.

        I also have a couple programs on my selfhosted gitea that use flakes for packaging which you can checkout also.

        https://code.cronyakatsuki.xyz/crony/nixos