I full agree with everything you said here. But I think it is going way too far to think that they will ever understand. They clearly get off on the idea of opposing leftist values for the sake of it.

I’ll do my part just as you to stop this place from being an echo chamber. But assuming they’re not a troll, winter is too far in the deep end. They could lose everything, become a drug addicted homeless person spat on by the rich, brutalized by the police, and thrown in jail for existing and they’d still find a way to blame anybody but themselves and conservatism.