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    Wouldn’t have taken that many.

    Especially if vaccine patents were not only shared, the vaccines were administered at the barrel of a gun.

    We could have certainly fared better than the real world plan of “let’s infect everyone on purpose as quickly as possible”.

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      Yes it would have.

      As already stated covid is present in several animal species, so you would have to kill all muskelids, cats, deer, bats, etc…

      Covid is also asymptomatic in about 50% of people, so you wouldn’t even know who to shoot.

      And vaccines are not perfect, I got covid 3 shots in, from someone who had 4 shots of the vaccine.

      And in all of human history, as I have said, we have only ever eliminated 1 disease, despite massive efforts to eliminate others.

      There was never any chance to eliminate covid. That’s a fairy tale fantasy only those that lack knowledge could believe.

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        Yes there was and you don’t have the wherewithal to carry it out.

        “Animal reservoirs” is the refuge of someone who never wanted to shut down in the first place and fought restrictions the entire way. We never had to “live with Covid”.

        Why are you so hung up on killing everybody anyway?

        We can test people. We can test animals. We can vaccinate both. We can isolate people and things.

        We could have controlled this. We chose—Chose—to exacerbate things.

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          You’re the one who said we have enough bullets to stop it, it’s you who suggested killing everyone.

          And if it’s so easy to eliminate an airborne disease, as you say, then why have we never managed to do it in all of human history?

          We have been trying to eliminate the flu for over a hundred years, how’s that going?

          We could have controlled this.

          Nope, we could not. It’s a rapidly spreading airborne illness that was already in nearly every country on the planet before it was discovered.

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            You’re the one who said we have enough bullets to stop it, it’s you who suggested killing everyone.

            Whoa there I suggested massive testing, vaccination, and isolation at the barrel of a gun. You’re the one who thinks those methods can’t work and we have to jump straight to slaughtering everyone.

            We have been trying to eliminate the flu for over a hundred years

            And there were assholes like you antagonistic to even trying the whole time.

            Nope, we could not. It’s a rapidly spreading airborne illness

            Vaccination, isolation, testing.
            It could have been done.

            All you “can’t” fuckos trail off before “…while still maintaining capitalist production modes” like I should care.

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              Then why do we need enough bullets? You suggested we should kill people, not me.

              And I’m not antagonistic, I’m a scientist who actually understands how diseases work, unlike you apparently. And I was early in line to get vaccinated, and boosted.

              And you think non-capitalist production modes could have mass produced billions upon billions of vaccines and tests in the early months of Covid spreading, before such things were even developed? Because that was impossible.

              Sorry to shit on your rather short-sighted worldview, but it’s entirely wrong.

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                mocking voice “I’m a scientist.”

                Of shutting the fuck up?

                Yes, as labor produces vaccines I see no reason it could not do so without it’s surplus value being stolen.

                Then why do we need enough bullets?

                To enforce quarantines, incentivize vaccine uptake, and shoot infected deer.

                Christ, why do you shoot (pardon the pun) right past what the guns would be enforcing and in your scenario just start shooting wildly?

                You’ve already admitted it’s to preserve capitalism—which is really fucked of you—but Jesus dude

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                  Of Bioanalytical Chemistry.

                  To enforce quarantines

                  By shooting people? If you’re not going to shoot people, you don’t need bullets. So again, you are the one who implied we should be killing people to stop covid.

                  And hey, if you’re using guns to enforce a quarantine, that means you have people out during quarantine to do the enforcing, people who might actually have covid because once again covid is asymptomatic in 50% of people.

                  You also still need people out farming, delivering food, running power plants, maintaining infrastructure, etc… All of whom could have asympotmatic covid.

                  Doesn’t matter if you have capitalism or socialism, when covid was initially spreading we had no easy way to test for it (we were stuck using PCR, which is time consuming and uses lots of resources), and we didn’t have a vaccine because it wasn’t invented yet.

                  Do you think socialism can just magically make an invention appear immediately, and magically make the necessary resources to make it show up?

                  And whose making these things? Oh, workers, who might have covid, and might spread it to each other.

                  There is no eliminating airborne illnesses, and I don’t know how you still don’t get that?

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                    Of [blah balh blah]

                    You should go back to school and get a doctorate in shutting the fuck up.

                    By shooting people?

                    If they break quarantine. Christ. Read. That does not say as you keep insinuating “shoot everyone right away”.

                    And hey, if you’re using guns to enforce a quarantine, that means you have people out during quarantine to do the enforcing, people who might actually have covid because once again covid is asymptomatic in 50% of people.

                    Hazmat suits, testing.

                    You also still need people out farming, delivering food, running power plants, maintaining infrastructure, etc…

                    Hazmat suits, testing, hazard pay.

                    There is no eliminating airborne illnesses
                    Not if you keep insisting your haircuts are more important than human lives.