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All other countries without sideloading mandates
We’re as shitty as we’re legally allowed to be
- AppleTechnology isn’t to enable users to do what they want, but to let corporations do what they can get away with.
Speak for yourself; I use Free Software.
I’m a Linux user since '94, the 1st Android phone I got (company phone) was rooted, the 1st one I bough ran Cyanogenmod and I even developed Cyanogenmod for my 2nd tablet. (1st was crap) yep, free software user. (and kind of developer)
I finally made the plunge to Linux desktop for all work in 2016 and have not looked back (and occasional windows VM, extremely rare now.) Even Arch is now perfectly fine as a workstation which surprised me. Recommend EndeavourOS to streamline the install process but it’s Arch underneath.
Welcome to the good side. ;)
I’ve been running Linux since I could afford a 386 in '94. (and learned years later a 386SX would have run it as well) Every time I need to work on Windows for an employer the 1st thing I do is find who can help mne fix windows when I break it. (I seem to be pretty good at that, although it doesn’t seem to be a huge skill)
UMSDOS?
From the perspective of the people who make the crap, corporations are the users.
Corporations are people!
To be fair that’s not limited to Apple. Any company will follow the law to the letter, and lobby to change the law in their favour.
Ok, but Android wouldn’t have to allow sideloading by that logic, yet…
Google does indeed use Google Play Services to gate-keep the Ecosystem while keeping Android technically FOSS. Still better than Apple in this case, but hey… would you rather be hanged or beheaded?
Not all Android apps use Play Services, do they?
No but many of them. Play Services gets more and more functions that used to be part of the Android operating system. Some very basic functionalities are assisted GPS or Push notifications.
Despite not being forced by governments, no android phone uses a shitty proprietary charger port, nor have they ever. And last night I discovered side loading is possible on my fucking google TV device. Again, no laws require this, it’s just called not being a fucking prick.
From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty, it’s part of their brand. Apple products are all about stupid proofing. Its hard to fuck it up, its hard to download a malicious app or virus. Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is. Believe it or not that’s the majority of users. Side loading wont effect profits but thats because the large majority of their customer base will never use it. Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy, so of course they won’t give it to us unless they are forced to do so.
Apple products are all about stupid proofing.
Where do we draw the line between a functioning computer and chromebook? an IoT device? Stupid-proofing should not come at the cost of basic functionality.
Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is.
No, it does not. Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.
Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy.
Creating Fisher Price computers is not a valid business strategy, and serves as a detriment for all users regardless of proficency. User freedom is beneficial for absolutely everyone.
True but don’t try Tinder dating with an Android phone, lol. Apple products get you dates!
https://www.garnerstyle.com/2023/07/tech-wars-why-some-women-think-android.html
Any women who (who we’re already assuning I’m interested in enough to take on a date) won’t go on a date with me because of my phone’s OS are dodged bullets imo.
My 12 year old son has a Samsung Galaxy S23 and is a total Samsung loyalist. I hope he doesn’t have to dodge a ton of bullets.
From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty
No shit.
From Hitler’s perspective, he was saving Germany too. Why would I give a shit about that perspective?
Maybe it will help you be less pissy about something you cant change. Accept the fact that Apple will never change due to this fundamental business strategy and move on to a company that doesnt rely on babying their mindless customers. Or I dunno, fuck it, keep pissing in the wind and crying about smelling bad.
No. Still punching Nazis and Apple fan bois in the face for supporting fascistic backwards authoritarians.
I won’t give apple another dime. I made the decision like 10 years ago and stuck with it.
The only reason I have to care is that you can’t avoid hearing about apple and their shitty business practices on a near daily basis.
Complaining about a company being shitty is reasonable. Deal with it and just simp harder.
We’re never going to shut up about Apple. Ever. Anyone who doesn’t like it is free to not read it!
Yo you and everyone else replying to me need to slow down and read carefully. I’m telling you you cant change it SO GO BUY SOMETHING ELSE. Holy fuck, the shit I said above is not a compliment to apple. If you don’t get that then you are Apple’s target audience cause goddamn ya fuckin need stupid proofing.
need to slow down and read carefully
The irony.
Shouldnt have exited from the EU ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wasn’t my choice. I was 10.
One thing I’ve learned living in a conservative state in the US is that everything is my fault by proxy
I should just be rich enough to move, how hard can it be
I really wish this was a joke but it fucking isnt.
“We should just build a wall around your state and force it to secede. All the LGBT+ and POC should relocate immediately because it’s not safe to live there.”
“What about all the people who can’t afford to move? What about all the people living on tribal land?”
“Oh, them? Hmmm. They should move, too. Again.”
The fact is, right-wing extremism shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere. Putting all the fascists “on an island” doesn’t fix anything because there will always be children and other people who never asked to be there, yet have to suffer.
Yes but look at the alternative: a country united under far right rule. We suffered for 4 years of that and are looking at another 4 years of it if the dumbass anti-Biden memes are taken seriously by enough sheeple.
what if we just put them all on an island and then blew it up immediately
But there’s millions of them.
Even if we don’t tolerate them, what should we do with them?
Deport them. IDGAF about the consequences.
Stop being poor, dang it!
20 minutes into the future: “Poverty comes from poor character”.
Also look up “prosperity gospel”. Clive Barker has nothing on that.
Oh my God that was 8 years ago what the fuck
Time to start the rejoin in only another 10 years or so I think. We’ll be voting on single market membership again before the decade is out I think.
It’s incredible how that decision fucked the country for decades. One of the best examples why “direct democracy” does not guarantee good decisions just because it was the people’s choice.
It wasn’t direct democracy though.
No member of the public ever voted on the legislation.
If the legislation has been put to the public and the referendum bound it to law I think it would have gone differently.
The vote relied people voting for their own version of Brexit vs. the status quo.
I’m not a fan of direct democracy by any means but Brexit isn’t an example of it.
Ah, okay, so the referendum was just more like a consultation whether brexit should happen, but the badly done legislation came afterwards (which people probably wouldn’t have voted for)?
Exactly.
People were simultaneously told different things by different people on what would happen of the country voted leave. A lot of it obviously false even at the time.
People might have known what they were voting for. But what they were voting for had no basis on what the government would actually do.
Then we had the prime minister who held the referendum resign.
A new prime minister is chosen in a private election amongst members of the conservative party (about 100,000 votes will do it normally but no one actually runs against them). This becomes a theme.
There is legislation passed which essentially puts a clock on the process. If nothing passes we’d just revoke laws and break treaties.
This was meant to scare the EU into giving us what we wanted. The EU was not overly concerned.
The government put some very shoddy legislation together. We got a pretty poor deal from the EU, well we were pretty desperate.
The government couldn’t pass that legislation
We had an election for a new government
The government lost seats and lost their majority
The government then joined with a religious extremist party in Northern Ireland to give them a majority.
The shoddy legislation becomes not only shoddy but also more extreme, It still can’t pass.
The prime minister is ousted by their own party.
We get a new prime minister.
They still haven’t decided on the legislation but they tell everyone what they want to hear.
We have an election
The government gets a big working majority
The shoddy extreme legislation, which we now know from first hand accounts the prime minister didn’t understand, still can’t pass.
The government literally breaks the law and closes parliament illegally to try and run the clock closer to the point where we take a bonfire to massive ammous of legislation.
The government are then forced back into the house by the courts
Eventually at the last moment a deal is passed. It’s really bad for the UK economy, and the UK in general.
The UK leaves the EU. Northern Ireland doesn’t. Well it sort of does.
COVID and Another 2 prime ministers later and Brexit deals are still being negotiated.
Essentially he EU has everything it needs. It’s protected the interests of bordering nations like the Republic of Ireland and France. The UK has increased friction on trade, labour issues.
The current big issue is that France no longer helps us stop people crossing the channel. That was an EU agreement. So our government, now spends it’s time and energy trying to deport people to Rwanda, breaking the entirely separate European Convention on Human Rights Churchill’s government basically wrote and passed after the second world war.
It’s worth noting that this government has had a vote share of 36.1% pre referendum in 2015 36.9% post referendum in 2017 42.4% post deadlock in 2019 (with the opposition getting 40%)
The conservative party got that lock in 2019 on 55% of the seats with 42.4% of the vote
Since then they’ve rotated people in and out of government to essentially do the bidding of the one who pays the most into their individual campaign funds against each other.
The government refuse to allow an election even while they’re essentially changing constantly.
We haven’t really got democracy in this country. We disenfranchise a lot of people through our electoral system by design. We concentrate power to a minority.
It’s a mess.
Vote to rejoin.
I will as soon as the opportunity presents itself.
Don’t cry over it. I live in Europe so I’ll get it but the thing is that Apple will most likely force people into some kind of bullshit certificate that you’ve to buy in order to be able to sideload.
If you read the legal document about side-loading then Apple could be considered in compliance if they just decided to create a “sideloading program” where you can apply and pay for a special certificate with a vetting process and a lot of restrictions (being a company over a certain size etc). Essentially the same as the current Enterprise program but extended to allow 3rd party stores and distribution of App to random users not part of the same organization.
The legislation won’t stop them from doing this and it will effetely only be used by large companies that can go through the vetting process and pay the ridiculous amounts of money that Apple will be asking for.
Why would you assume the legislation won’t stop it, they have iteratively corrected legislation to mandate it’s original intent plenty of times, most recently they’ve begun looking at cookies because the banner wasn’t the intention of the lawmakers.
Why would you assume the legislation won’t stop it, they have iteratively corrected legislation to mandate it’s original intent plenty of times
Because just for starters Apple even tried to argue they shouldn’t be subject to the legislation because they didn’t have one store but multiple stores. Same with iMessage and whatnot.
If you read the legal document about side-loading then Apple could be considered in compliance if they just decided to create a “sideloading program” where you can apply and pay for a special certificate with a vetting process and a lot of restrictions (being a company over a certain size etc). Essentially the same as the current Enterprise program but extended to allow 3rd party stores and distribution of App to random users not part of the same organization.
most recently they’ve begun looking at cookies because the banner wasn’t the intention of the lawmakers.
Yes but do you know what happens? Due to the way the EU works and our constitutions and agreements work we’re talking about at least one year of discussions about the issue and then a 3 year period where countries will have to study what was decided by the European Commission and pass national legislation about it. Then you’ll have a transition period like (2 more years) until such legislation goes in effect (deadline). So we’re talking about around 5 years to get anything practical. We’ve seen this with USB-C - even before there was USB-C the EU was in talks to adopt a single port (at the time Micro/Mini USB) and it all took about 10 years to unfold.
Apple is very good as twisting things and what’s currently written on the proposal doesn’t force Apple to open up iOS to be a generic platform like macOS or Windows - it simply asks them to allow 3rd party stores and sideloading of applications outside their store. Doesn’t say that anyone should be able do it, doesn’t set the terms, doesn’t say it should be free.
So they adapt their policies throughout the process to make sure they are modern?
You’re taking a very pessimistic view of this process.
Because just for starters Apple even tried to argue they shouldn’t be subject to the legislation because they didn’t have one store but multiple stores. Same with iMessage and whatnot
But it didn’t work, did you expect apple not to claim they were compliant and didn’t need regulation?
You’re taking a very pessimistic view of this process.
No, no, I’m taking a realistic view. I know exactly how and why it works this way and it makes it somehow more democratic and productive while appeasing the lobbying efforts and capabilities of big companies.
It just takes a lot of time, and you’ll remember my post whenever Apple finally decides to announce sideloading.
It isn’t realistic, you’re complaining. You’re giving out that apple will fight their case, in what world would they not? Companies will try to find workarounds to laws and lawmakers will try to close loopholes. Is their lobbying influence? Absolutely. But it’s hasn’t stopped the creation of the legislation.
Apple side loading will be proof the law is working, that is the intention of the law to facilitate side loading. If they find a way to make it difficult there are avenues that can be taken from anti competition cases to changing the law.
I honestly cannot see what you’re giving out about. Do you want laws passed in a day with no oversight?
You’re giving out that apple will fight their case, in what world would they not?
No, I’m giving out they’ll bypass the intent of the law while complaining. Or at least they’ll bypass your interpretation of the law because in mine it doesn’t say anything about against restricting it, about having a vetting process or requiring payments.
Imagine buying a piece of hardware and actually owning it.
Imagine buying a piece of hardware knowing full well that doesn’t work the way you want it to and then bitching that it doesn’t work the way you want it to
There are no phone OSes that work the way we want, so we should just never say anything, as consumers?
LineageOS does pretty well for me. Don’t know what youre talking about.
grapheneos, calyxos, lineageos, etc.
If these supported phones I actually wanted I’d consider it. Even better if they weren’t a pain in the ass to install.
I recently installed GrapheneOS on a pixel 7 pro. Waaaay easier than lineageOS. As long as you have the drivers installed on your pc and opposable thumbs, it’s a breeze.
Problem is that I bought a 5a and had the screen die just out of the extended warranty and they wouldn’t help me out. Giving money to Google is always a mistake, never again.
brexit went great huh?
It wasn’t my dumb idea.
The people who voted Brexit weren’t concerned about their ability to side load apps
the people who voted brexit werent concerned about a lot considering the post vote google searches for “what is brexit”
Was Brexit really worth it?
lol this is an “article” written by ChatGPT full of fluff and speculation.
Aw, seriously? I’m getting worse at spotting that.
Before it was edified, there even used to be a part of the model response
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You should never sideload. Cranes are not designed to be loaded that way and the crane or the load could move unexpectedly.
Always lift vertically.
Apple really fucking hates user freedom and choice.
Apple haters have ALWAYS found something to wrap their hate around and then march on parade; this is just the latest. Just join the line at the back…
Or buy something else.
Well the one thing you’re right about is that I don’t buy Apple.
Then stfu?
5 eyes spy network countries. No surprise there.
That’s not the reason. The only reason is because they are not part of the EU.
Well we’re part of Eurovision and that’s basically the same thing.
“Minimizes diminished App Store revenue”
I am an Apple user and in the end I’m more comfortable with them having access to my data than google… but man, they don’t even bother to pretend it’s a pro-consumer issue thing anymore.
Been noticing that a lot lately, corporate weasel language is dying as these companies grow more and more emboldened.
Just use something AOSP with F-droid. It will be much better for privacy.
Both Google and Apple sell your data to the same companies. It’s kinda the point of them having ‘an ecosystem’ (monopolized ofc).
All “privacy” efforts they made with their OSs were exclusively so third party apps can collect less data from you and have to buy data from Google/Apple.
Proof that Apple sell your data?
The op I replied to? Apples quarterly revenue statements? Their terms you agree to? Explicit ‘Apple privacy policy’ on the subject?
Both Apple and Google restrict third party app privacy not for your protection/increased privacy but to monopolize data collection. Eg Facebook vs Meta was a few years ago a fairly public fight.
But on both OSs you don’t really have the option to restrict data collection from their services (on some Androids you can’t even disable Google services, much less uninstall them). And Google also pays several billions per quarter to Apple to be the default search
data collectionengine.It is true tho that companies differ a lot so the data collection is different too (the biggest difference is that Apple doesn’t have that much need for user data since it isn’t really in personalized ad business).
You are delusional. It’s wild that you’re using sources like Apple’s privacy policy as a source when it directly contradicts what you’re claiming.
The authoritative sources that you listed explicitly state:
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Apple only delivers ads in 3 places (App Store, Apple News, Stocks). Contrast this with Google, which delivers ads on virtually every app on every screen you interact with if you’ve got an Android phone.
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Apple doesn’t share any personal data with third parties for advertising. They also don’t “sell” your data at all. They also don’t buy (or receive) any personal data from third parties to use for marketing. Again, contrast that with Google, whose entire business model is doing each of those things as invasively as possible.
I’m not claiming that Apple is “moral” or “ethical” or anything like that. But Apple’s profits are driven by them selling hardware, which means that if I’m someone who wants to buy hardware, their interests are at least somewhat aligned with mine. On the other hand, Google’s profits are driven by selling ads that are based on the most emotionally charged personal information they can gather. Any service they provide you is just bait for you to chew on so they can build the inventory they sell to advertisers.
Sorry, but you really need to lay of the crack my friend.
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think the film Tron made a good while ago was about users having control versus systematic control over the users by the system admins
