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    I once asked my nephew about this - he worked in a hotel back then. Yes, indeed, they clean toilet brushes in a dishwasher.

    But it is a separate one that is only for toilet brushes and brush holders, nothing else.

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      I would completely agree with this and do it like this. Why? Saves time to say the least.

      But, using the same one as for dishes? No way. Separate one, marked and all that? Makes perfect sense 👍.

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        IF your dishwasher is working properly then you ought to be able to put your poop knife, dinner dishes AND toilet brushes in and everything comes out sanitary.

        Don’t ask why there is peanut butter left on the knife. You’ll be ok.

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          This isn’t true. A generic dishwasher for at home is not up for the task. Even the stuff they use in restaurants aren’t up for the task. And they already wash with boiling water. Despite this, there are always leftovers. I had the task of cleaning these things at a maccy Ds. Found pink mold that thrived in coffee grounds to survive the dishwaser perfectly. Like the pink goo from the teletubbies.

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            Yeah, you need a dishwasher with a proper sanitize cycle. Most residential dishwashers, even some with an alleged sanitize cycle, aren’t up to the task. This is why laboratories will pay top dollar for an industrial dishwasher that looks nearly identical to a residential version but it actually will sanitize its contents.

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          Yeah I was gonna mention that I don’t think the soap and steam really care if it’s poop germs or food germs. As long as your dishwasher is working properly, everything in there should be snapped out of existence.

          Seriously just make sure the peanut butter is rinsed off beforehand.

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      I had an old dishwasher I used as an improvised parts washer when fixing up cars.

      I used a ratchet strap to keep the door closed because the latch was busted, but it still heated the water and sprayed it just fine.

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        How did steel and aluminum parts react after coming into contact with hot water and soap? I can imagine a non-trivial amount of milling/resurfacing of any interface that is meant to take a gasket due to how metals react to caustic environments.

        Unless you disabled the dishwasher’s internal heating element and used degreasers instead of water… that makes a lot more sense.

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          I work in a production line that makes parts for diesel engines. We wash the parts in water and alkaline solution, then they hit a drier and get dried. Basically a giant dishwasher. The company is multi million dollar and world wide.

          Just a long winded way of saying your imagination is wrong

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          most dishwasher detergent formulations contain corrosion inhibitors for steel, some even contain corrosion inhibitors for aluminium though those are usually in the upper price segment.

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      I worked at a restaurant in the kitchen. We had a place on the wall to hang brushes. The GREEN brushes were to be used for food/prep areas only. The white brushes were for cleaning toilets, and other filthy places.

      The white brushes were soaked in buckets and rinsed/washed thoroughly in a slop sink, then later, put in the racks that push through the dishwasher conveyor belt that ran through the machine if I recall correctly. It’s been more than 20 years

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    Wow, you can never tell with people. Go to someone’s house, and maybe they’re secret toilet-brush-in-dishwasher people. And there you are, innocently using their dishes.

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    Yikes. I would never eat there again!

    Logically, the heat used for drying should kill any germs. But why risk it.

    I rinse mine in the toilet bowl when it has bleach based toilet cleaner in it. That alone keeps them pretty clean.

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      It wouldn’t be the heat used for drying, it would be the heat used for washing. Assuming that you have a dishwasher with a sanitize cycle/option always use it. they are required to reach a minimum temperature of 150f. typical range in actual products is 165ºF to 180ºF (74ºC to 82ºC)

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        I still wouldn’t trust that to be all that great. Sanitize isn’t a very controlled term (sterilize is). If you look up autoclaves, which are essentially steam baths to kill bacteria, they only get 90% of microbial life after more than an hour, and their temperatures are much higher than any dishwasher will reach.

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      Even if true, what if someone said they shit on their plates, throw the shit in the toilet, them dishwasher the plates.

      Would you conceptually still be ok eating off that plate? Even if you knew for fact it had gone through the machine?

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        Most dish cleaners are like, bleach-based. As long as it was something that could be killed with bleach and hot HOT water/air, I really could care less

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          So you watch me I take a shit on a plate, put it in the machine and serve you chicken tendies off that plate an hour and a half later.

          That’s insane

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            wouldn’t be the nastiest nor most unhygienic thing humans do willingly on a regular basis by a lot. it is mostly just the idea that is quite uncomfortable.

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            Buddy if I watch you shit on a plate we ain’t eating tendies together regardless of what plate you use

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              Right! And if I put a toilet brush in the dishwasher, and you watch me do that, it’s the same fucking thing

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                Ok.

                If I vomit on a plate and put it in the dishwasher, how you gonna feel about eating off it?

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      Huh don’t have time to listen to the whole thing rn but wonder what their rationale is 🤔

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        It’s been a bit, but if I recall, it’s that the dishwasher already reliably cleans unsanitary things that are loads more biologically risky like cutting boards used for raw meat or potentially contaminated with things like Norovirus.

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          I have never even once cleaned a cutting board in the dishwasher…

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              Running plastic cutting boards in the dishwasher is less weird to me, but in general it is a weird concept to me, it was just never done at home or at any place I did the dishes.

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              Sanity wipes?

              What are people talking about here, I wash my cutting boards by hand in the kitchen sink, it has worked well for decades

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        I could see it being safe from a germ perspective but when a little nugget of shit rattles around in the machine and ends up anywhere near what you’re using to eat that’s gotta suck, safe or not.

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    I mean logically the kind of shit that grows on your dishes isn’t much better for you than the literal shit that a toilet brush would scrub out of your toilet bowl. They both contain a lot of the same bacteria, you wouldn’t be much better off licking an old used plate that has been sitting in a moist environment for a few days before you put the dishwasher on than you would be from licking a toilet brush. Well made dishwashers are designed to vigorously wash and, with the right settings and detergent, sanitize everything inside them so that they are safe to eat off of. Heck the machines they use to sanitize surgical equipment are essentially fancy dishwashers. But emotionally I couldn’t do it. Even if I used the best dishwasher known to man and rewashed everything multiple times, I just wouldn’t be able to get over that mental hurdle.

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      I mean logically the kind of shit that grows on your dishes isn’t much better for you than the literal shit that a toilet brush would scrub out of your toilet bowl.

      First, what the fuck is growing on your dishes that you believe is “logically” equivalent to eating human shit? Second, this isn’t a logic problem or a place for opinion. All the work was already done for you, just waiting for you to look it up instead of giving your opinion on bacteria.

      Human shit also doesn’t only contain bacteria. There’s an estimated 100 million - 1 billion virus per gram of wet shit inside of us. Fungi are estimated at up to a million microorganisms per gram of wet shit and there’s still around 100 billion bacteria per gram of wet shit. Let’s not forget parasites like cryptosporidium which your body purges in shit.

      Meanwhile either giving your dishes a cursory rinse or not allowing them to sit covered in food for days on end would minimize bacterial or fungal growth on your dishes.

      This is a reminder for everyone: your opinion on facts that you can’t be bothered to type in a search box are less than worthless. They’re disinformation and in some cases, like telling people that eating shit is no more harmful that licking a plate, can cause harm.

      Just say no to opinions on what facts may or may not be. Cite your sources.

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        I didn’t say it was the equivalent I said neither are good for you and both could be cleaned and sanitized sufficiently by the right dishwasher, so please don’t put words in my mouth thanks. Damp used dishes stuffed into a dishwasher for a few days aren’t going to have anything good for you on them either and that’s how most people treat their used dishes. We get viruses and parasites growing on regular food that has gone bad too, and both are going to disagree with your stomach and potentially do some harm. Does rinsing your dishes or washing them right away help mitigate or prevent that? Sure. Does everyone do that? Of course not. I never said “eating shit is the exact same as licking a dirty dish” nor did I say anything close to that. I said “both are bad for you and a well made dishwasher is designed to clean things really well and even sanitize them in order to make them safe to eat off of, so it makes sense logically that this could be safe but I still wouldn’t do it anyway”.

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          You literally said ‘isnt much better’. A magnitude of a few thousand is ‘much better’ in my opinion.

          Noone likes being criticized but this could be an opportunity to embrace it and learn something.

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              Also how many microbes (because mako used number of actual organisms per gram to make his numbers big and scary) per visible colony or growth that you’d see on a plate with food that’s been left out for several days.

              What he should have elaborated on, instead of only a single sentence with a curse word for emphasis, is that the microbes in your fecal matter are more likely to be able to survive inside of your body if they make it past your innate defenses when consumed. They were already in one area and survived, and now they may be entering a different area (which is one of the major ways infections can happen). You have plenty of microbes happily surviving on your skin, in your digestive tract, etc. without causing any issues, but if they make it elsewhere, some pretty nasty infections result. Look up Staphylococcus epidermidis and its outcomes for people who have plastic medical devices implanted, even though it’s really great for you to have it on your skin.

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          Damp used dishes stuffed into a dishwasher for a few days aren’t going to have anything good for you on them either and that’s how most people treat their used dishes.

          No they don’t, don’t project onto the world what you think is normal. Everyone I know washes up or puts the dishwasher on straight after they’ve eaten, then puts their dishes away when they’re clean and dried.

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          I don’t know what “brutal science” is but I do know that the scientific process was used in many peer-reviewed studies to understand what lives in our shit. That holds a lot more weight for me than what an anonymous poster feels might be right in regards to the same subject matter.

          Furthermore, the greater concept here is that we as a species have access to actual information by powers of magnitude more then ever before in human history and yet a significant percentage of the population believe that vaccines cause autism because a washed up Playboy bunny repeated what she read from a discredited “doctor” and it caught on like wildfire.

          People in general too often believe what they hear or read without legitimate evidence. Disinformation exists at best because people unconsciously believe their opinions are just as valid as peer-reviewed research, and at worst to weaponize information for personal gain. Whatever the intent it’s a plague on humanity and I won’t apologize for calling it out when seen. If that’s too “brutal” for you I hope you can get to a place where reading cited information in response to opinion doesn’t disrupt your sensitivities.

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            I think brutal science is implying that while you’re likely right, you’re also being strangely aggressive and pretty uncharitable to the people you’re replying to. See your three paragraph response to a one liner as an example.

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      But emotionally I couldn’t do it. Even if I used the best dishwasher known to man and rewashed everything multiple times, I just wouldn’t be able to get over that mental hurdle.

      I know, right? If nothing else it just feels wrong…

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          That’s literally how they convinced people to vote against doing it when I lived in L.A. They called it “toilet to tap.” Now L.A. is running out of water and suddenly they’re desperate to do it.

          Guess what? Animals piss and shit in municipal water supplies that aren’t recycled. Constantly.

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              What Im trying to get at is that its obviously not that big a hurdle, at least I dont know anyone that regularly complains about feeling nasty drinking tap water. Its just about what people are used to, not reall, about something being unclean or not.

          • 𝕽𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖎𝖊𝖘𝖙@lemmy.world
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            To be clear personally if given the choice I’d rather the recycled piss water than tap water considering it has stricter standards.

            I was just pointing out the ick factor exists whether or not it’s logical.

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      I don’t know about the dishes but according to my memory of something I read a while ago (can’t look things up right now), the kitchen sink and kitchen brushes aren’t much cleaner than anything in the toilet; and actually, kitchen washcloths/sponges tend to be worse than toilet surfaces.

      So, maybe don’t put toilet brushes in the dishwasher but definitely don’t put in kitchen washcloths either. Not sure what this means about us washing dishes by hand with a sponge either. And maybe don’t put in used washcloths along your clothes in the washing machine.

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        i would assume the big problem with toilet items is that some quite nasty bugs come out of our bungholes, whereas in the kitchen you’ll at worst find salmonella if you don’t practice good hygeiene around raw unvaccinated bird products

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      It’s not about killing microbes, it’s about getting rid of pathogens and spores they create. You can’t steam that away. For example, botulinum toxin can withstand up to +85C and botulinum spores can withstand boiling water. No dishwasher will make your stuff safe from botulinum.

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    Ew… like, all alone, with nothing else in the dishwasher at all, and a rinse cycle in-between that and other things that you plan to eat off of?

    Even then, it seems inefficient to me. Also, why would those even need to be cleaned - do you plan on eating off of those?!? They get “cleaned” well enough by going into the toilet - no need for more?

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      Usually I clean the toilet with soap and the brush, and then occasionally clean the brush by cleaning the toilet like normal, flushing, and putting a stronger antimicrobial (looks like bleach but isn’t, since they don’t sell it as much anymore due to the danger it has around the house) on the brush and then rinsing it in the toilet and flushing again.

      Mostly I don’t want it to stink. It’s bad if anyone has cause to notice the toilet brush tucked almost behind the toilet. Same for the plunger.

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      Meeh, I do clean them from time to time. They do become very dirty after a while and it shows since they’re white. Not really often, like once a year, but still.

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        Great! But uh… the more distance between them and things I eat off of, imho, the better! :-P

        Just like Skibidi Toilet, simply b/c you can do something, does not mean that you should.

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          Great! But uh… the more distance between them and things I eat off of, imho, the better! :-P

          Of course, I don’t clean them in the dishwasher, lol 😂.

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              You take the bowl in which it resides, you clean that with… whatever, soap, shampoo, dishwashing liquid. Use a dish sponge from the rough side, gets the best results 👍. Then, you fill that up with some hot water and pour some soap/shampoo/dishwashing liquid in that and start stirring that with the toilet brush, just grinding it in there. You do that for about a minute, it should be shiny as new.

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          You take that shit back right now or Ill wash your mouth out with an uncleaned toilet brush!

          Skibidi Toilet is fucking brilliant for what it is. Its like an abstract arthouse scifi film made with free tools. It somehow made me laugh, cheer and feel creeped out. Ive seen worse content made by serious movie studios. Its amazing to watch the whole.thing and see the creators skills come along throughout.

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            Oh, I forgot the /s. The joke was too good to pass up.

            I did watch every single episode. It was… well, it existed, and that is something that I can say about it! :-P

            Also, it is highly creative, that is another:-).

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    My mother used to recycle her douche bottles, throw it in with the regular dishes, and make her own. Guess who always had to wash the dishes…

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    You have to consider only two things really:

    • Maybe, just maybe, something which was designed to kill the bacteria and remove the residue of things that came in contact with fresh or at most rotten food, is also totally effective at doing the same for things that came in contact with fecal mater and with toiled cleaning chemicals. Or maybe not.
    • Do you for a toilet brush need the level of cleaniness achieved by a dishwasher, and if not are there other reasonably simple methods to achieve the required level of cleaniness for it?

    In the absence of actual scientific studies that provided an answer for the “is a household dishwater entirelly effective for fecal mater and toilet cleaning chemicals contamination” question with a high degree of certainty, the consideration on whether to do this or not boils down to: “Is a dishwasher level of cleaniness for a toilet brush worth the risk that the dishwasher might not deal with fecal mater or toilet cleaning chemical contamination correctly?”

    Personally, I don’t think it’s worth the risk.