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Currently a university student, and somewhat frequently, I see Firefox installed on people's laptops but they also have Chrome installed and are using Chrome, or Edge, or Safari. Rarely do I see Firefox actually being used but I see it installed frequently. Does anyone have a clue as to why they have it installed?

Yea I know Chromium monopoly and open source browser and whatnot but the average Andy does not know what any of that is.

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[–] avater@lemmy.world 63 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] moreeni@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, and why would a normie use FF over the default (chromium-based) browser, if the goal is to surf the web? You didn't get the point of OP's question.

[–] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

obviously... my question is what is their reason of having it installed when they don't bother using it? They just keep using Chrome or Edge despite having Firefox installed. What is the reason/use case for Firefox then for someone who just uses Chrome?

Privacy or open source or non chromium based do not count as reasons because none of those are a thing that a tech illiterate chrome user would be aware of.

[–] jak@sopuli.xyz 6 points 9 months ago

Tech illiterate here: I used to keep it as a backup for when my two hundred tabs of chrome would freeze (tech. illiterate.), but switched after a while because it was faster. I do kinda care about privacy, but not enough to sacrifice much convenience (I’d never get Alexa, but I play Pokémon go, if that is helpful), so Firefox being faster than chrome is perfect.

[–] xep@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 9 months ago

It's software used to browse the Internet.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

It has a cooler logo than Chrome or IE.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 9 months ago (16 children)

a browser that won't cripple your machine. It used to be the opposite case, but the tables have turned.

Also, you can also use firefox on android and have all extensions (adblockers etc) available on your phone too!

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 9 months ago

Normies tend to absorb what's trendy among specialists, regardless of area, without necessarily absorbing why. They hear positive bits about firefox and negative bits about chrome, and add firefox.

[–] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

It is wild how many people here are offended by me asking a simple question and down voting me. Privacy, open source, customization like CSS, extensions, etc those are all gibberish to non tech savvy users.

I'm trying to see a reason to use Firefox from the perspective of a person who has the mentality of "I got nothing to hide" and "computers are difficult" and love the Google services that come integrated into Chrome.

[–] Melody@lemmy.one 12 points 9 months ago

It's important to note that you must be willing to learn what things are when interacting with technology.

People want to help, but they don't want to help someone who might ignore their advice because "it's too hard!"

Firefox is much faster than Chrome, it uses less memory and it works with everything; unless the website operator has some vendetta against Firefox and intentionally codes their website to work slowly on Firefox. (Google is notorious for this, you should ignore Firefox performance issues on Google owned sites)

With the right plugins you can even defuse the bad code and it is never an issue. uBlock Origin for example is a good plugin.

[–] HotPurplePeach@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Ok, I'd say it's biggest selling point is not being owned by Google - the company with the business model of violating privacy. But if you don't care about that, think about how short is the battery life on your phone. It doesn't have to be that way. That's because of Googles and Facebooks of the world that convert your money that you spend on charging your phone to make money on the data they collect.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

It's tough to answer with anything nontechnical... Best I can cook up off the top of my head is that we all expect the internet to work the same, whether we're visiting YouTube, or a blog, or... Whatever.

How are those pages coded? Like any human language, we all agreed on what certain mouth sounds mean and do, and don't agree with just one person getting to define how the language works.

Similarly, why does only Google/chrome get to define how a website's code works? I don't know how old you are, but there was a time where sites were just broken based on if you'd used Internet explorer 6, or literally anything else.

Lot of background, but that's why we care about which browser engine to use. Firefox uses less ram, follows the web's standards better, and actually gives you control in a way Mozilla can't undo.

[–] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Normie here. I used Firefox with uBlock origin, then used Chrome on the same website.

Now I only use chrome when the website breaks in Firefox. Oh, and for Google services (mail, maps, calendar, docs)

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Firefox has been my daily driver for five or six years now, and I think the only reason people still use chrome is habit. Getting people to change is hard, simply because habits have inertia.

Switching to Firefox was super easy for me. Just import all my bookmarks, passwords, etc and I was done. Completely set up in probably 5 minutes, including the installer.

[–] zeet@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I work in a university. Our web based services bork surprisingly frequently after Chrome updates and the IT Helpline's go-to response is 'have you tried ~~turning it off and on again~~ Firefox?'.

[–] RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

Privacy, Customization, better for Adblock. Or just to have a alternative if you’re main browser fails

[–] Grain9325@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

They only know Edge because MS shills it hard and Chrome due to years of using it with OEM installs on Android, familiarity with Google services.

Since ads can be really terrible on mobile, then FF + uBO can be suggested to them.

[–] uuhhhhmmmm@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Normies/tech illiterate people are lazy to uninstall software, they have no reason for that. Just look at their taskbar or desktop icons: a lot of useless crap. It was probably preinstalled, or they installed it for one reason, then just forgot about it.

[–] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

you just called out every Mac user in the world

edit: typo

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[–] sab@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago

If you know them, just ask. If you don't know them, don't assume people are tech illiterate just because they've made different software/hardware decisions from yourself.

Everybody except Richard Stallman is a normie. It's a stupid word and even dumber concept.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago

I have Firefox, Chrome, and Brave installed but use Firefox most of the time. I have Brave for websites that need chromium. I have chrome because I'm too lazy to uninstall it. I think you're probably looking too far into this. It's easy to install something. Disk space isn't really at a premium. They easily could've installed it in a whim.

Why not ask them directly if you're curious?

[–] SwagGaribaldi@lemmy.zip 7 points 9 months ago

I've gotten most of my friends to switch to it by showing them cool customization features

[–] OneRedFox@beehaw.org 6 points 9 months ago

Does Windows software still do that shit where they bundle a bunch of irrelevant crap with whatever you're trying to install? I don't think normies actively think about browser choice and I've definitely found browsers that were installed on systems via what I mentioned above in the past.

[–] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Having a browser that is not controlled by a company where YOU clearly are the product? Firefox works just fine. Is just as fast as chrome...

I have chrome installed too since there are websites that use features that only work in chrome or to test things. But that is like 0.1% of the time.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

That is exactly not the question. Did you only read the title?

The question is for what use those have it who are not interested in keeping their privacy.

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[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Unfortunately right now nothing over the default. Obviously is better than chrome but the default browser on any os is good enough for a tech illiterate. Maybe except for safari, that's the worst browser that I ever used in my life, it's too dumbed down

So they install it for see if it's that better, then when they notice it looks and behaves like Chrome without any evident different feature, they don't switch

[–] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

I use Firefox with ad blockers to watch YouTube. Chrome seems to be allowing them to block my ad blocker

[–] apis@beehaw.org 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They hear someone recommend it, maybe on foot of a conversation about privacy concerns, and give it a try.

Doesn't mean they've got to grips with it, but if they haven't uninstalled it, they probably retain the intent to try.

[–] Vincent@feddit.nl 1 points 9 months ago

Or they see no reason to uninstall, because... Well, there isn't really a strong obvious one.

[–] ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The only thing that's different between Chrome and Firefox for the average user is that WebGL doesn't work (yet) in Firefox, which I know is technical, but it means some websites that need more graphics processing won't work in Firefox. Since WebGL is fairly new, I haven't run across it much, only once or twice.

[–] pixelscript@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

Huh?

I've built simple WebGL renders in Firefox several times. The websites for TWGL and three.js, the two most popular JS libraries for WebGL rendering that contain several demos, also load and work correctly and have for years. It clearly works in Firefox to a significant extent.

There must be something Firefox is not quite compliant with, or less performant at, than Chrome, though. If you look at Patreon's website since their logo change, it runs fine in Chrome but chugs in Firefox. I don't know if it's WebGL related but I wouldn't be surprised.

[–] 1simpletailer@startrek.website 2 points 9 months ago

If its at University a lot of online classwork requires Chrome, especially proctored test-taking. They might have installed Chrome for that and just kept using it to avoid any problems and having to switch back and forth between browsers.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

Not being google's removed ?

[–] Papanca@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I've used FF almost always. There was a hiatus, a long time ago, when i heard claims that chrome was faster, so i switched to chrome for a bit, but went back to FF very soon. I was very much a normie/tech illiterate person, but i just really liked firefox

[–] revanth_hi_o7@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm a normie who uses firefox because it's the default in my Fedora machine. On windows I just use edge. While on my Android phone, I use it because I like having extensions.

[–] ebits21@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you a normie if you’re using Linux though? (I’m on Silverblue…. Not a normie)

[–] rockhandle@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think most people who have found themselves on the fediverse are probably not normies, even if they might think so.

[–] ebits21@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Yup, agreed

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