The u.s. birt rate has been declining since the 2007 recession. It also declined during the great depression. This is a failing of u.s. economic policy. There’s not enough regulations on businesses and the middle class is suffering. Many people don’t think it’s responsible to bring children into the world when there’s no hope for a decent future for them.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/
https://econofact.org/the-mystery-of-the-declining-u-s-birth-rate
That’s fine if birth rates are falling (to some extent) but they still shouldn’t be eclipsed by illegal immigration.
Although illegal migration numbers haven’t changed much since 2005, the demographics of illegal immigrants have. It’s important to ask why people are illegally migrating into the u.s. A more effective strategy would be to address those issues, especially because the u.s. greatly contributed to destabilizing South and Central America.
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/Explainer-IllegalImmigration-PRINT-Final.pdf
A more effective strategy would be to address those issues, especially because the u.s. greatly contributed to destabilizing South and Central America.
Amen to that.
This is a good example of misinformation that only works by abusing the poor critical thinking skills that are quintessentially American.
In the first like…3-4 minutes, this dude is like, “Look! Illegal encounters have soared to new heights! Oh my god, the world is clearly coming from America!” Needless to say, a bunch of people are trying to get into the country.
Then, right after he starts recounting instances of…not exactly crimes…but of people who have been arrested and something bad that happened. He follows it up with “I can tell you hundreds of stories like this”…sure he can…
But let’s assume he can. Go back to that chart about illegal encounters in Joe Biden’s first term: 12,099,904 illegal encounters!
This is a real life math problem basically.
If we have 12 million encounters with migrants, and (let’s say) 600 of them will go on to commit crimes, then what are the chances that any given illegal immigrant will commit a crime?
600 over 12 million…do some quick mafs…=0.00005. In other words, assuming we let all 12 million immigrants in, there is a 1/20,000 chance they’ll go on to commit crime. So scary! I bet the crime rate of native born Americans eclipses that by an order of magnitude at least.
And if you think he fairly characterizes AOC’s position, you’d also be wrong. In the clip he played, she’s talking about the current undocumented population within the U.S., not so much letting more in. But then he goes to to criticize what is definitely not AOC’s position from the clip he played.
Then he compares a country to a business. Anyone who buys into that analogy deserves to be treated like corporations treat their lowest employees.
God damn it, I hate this guy. He said earlier, that H1B visa applications had skyrocketed under Biden. These are specialty occupations according to the government. Then, towards the end, he’s like, “Are these people software engineers? Are they coders? Most likely not.” That’s in direct contradiction to what he said earlier about the H1B visa applications.
There is no reason to believe anything this guy says. Even if there is a border crisis, any information from him about anything at all should be summarily dismissed until he gets his shit together.
Hard to call it a conspiracy theory when the statistics are this clear, and the democrats are so clearly pro-illegal immigration.
Plus it’s completely about cheap labor and profit. You know, like slavery. Funny how the democrats are still all about that cheap labor, over a century later. Hell, illegals can’t buy guns legally, just like slaves couldn’t buy guns legally. And how in Jim Crow, ex-slaves couldn’t buy guns.
And yes, the Southern Strategy was the greatest PR campaign ever.
Hard to call it a conspiracy theory when the statistics are this clear
To quote lookin:
"God damn it, I hate this guy. He said earlier, that H1B visa applications had skyrocketed under Biden. These are specialty occupations according to the government. Then, towards the end, he’s like, “Are these people software engineers? Are they coders? Most likely not.” That’s in direct contradiction to what he said earlier about the H1B visa applications.
There is no reason to believe anything this guy says. Even if there is a border crisis, any information from him about anything at all should be summarily dismissed until he gets his shit together."
the democrats are so clearly pro-illegal immigration.
Not really. The democrats want to unfuck the regulation preventing legal immigration. Until that happens (can’t happen till the GOP stops blocking attempts to reform), the only pathway for a lot of people will be illegal immigration.
And yes, the Southern Strategy was the greatest PR campaign ever.
So then you’re aware that the republican party more closely represents a desire for cheap labor/slave labor than the democratic party. You have no real point.
Not really. The democrats want to unfuck the regulation preventing legal immigration. Until that happens (can’t happen till the GOP stops blocking attempts to reform), the only pathway for a lot of people will be illegal immigration.
We take in a fifth of the world’s immigrants, last time I checked. At some point, you have to say “This is too many, please take a number and wait your turn”. Have you seen Canada’s issues? They can’t build homes quick enough, let alone upgrade infrastructure. There is a rate of immigrants that can be handled, and we’re well beyond that.
Illegal immigration just creates more problems, and is entirely selfish. Hell, just sending a few thousand to NYC caused massive problems that it was considered an attack. That’s less than what we get in one day.
So then you’re aware that the republican party more closely represents a desire for cheap labor/slave labor than the democratic party. You have no real point.
No it doesn’t. There was no change in policies at all. The democrats are still for the same things they were in the civil war.
We take in a fifth of the world’s immigrants, last time I checked. At some point, you have to say “This is too many, please take a number and wait your turn”.
Sure, there is technically a limit. But in effect not really. We are a nation of immigrants. Immigration and diversity has always been one of the core strengths of this country. It’s shortsighted to fuck over one of our core strengths.
That, and immigrants are generally a net positive for the economy, and are just trying to escape a shitty life elsewhere. So it’s ultimately a good thing.
Have you seen Canada’s issues? They can’t build homes quick enough, let alone upgrade infrastructure.
They absolutely can. They just choose not to. They have too many NIMBYs and lack the motivation to deal with rent seekings slumlords/corpos.
Illegal immigration just creates more problems, and is entirely selfish.
People are trying to escape their destroyed homes for a better life for themselves, their family, and their children. And they are willing to work for it (providing value to our country in turn, through labor and taxes).
I’m quite ok with that.
Hell, just sending a few thousand to NYC caused massive problems that it was considered an attack. That’s less than what we get in one day.
Let’s say:
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I have 10 bags
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Each bag can hold 1,000 marbels before it begins to rip
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Each bag currently has 500 marbels
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I need to figure out to do with an additional 5,000 marbels that I’ve been given
There are two proposed solutions, and an ongoing fuckery.
Proposal 1: Evenly distribute the marbels so each bag gets 500 new marbels. No individual bag is strained or ripping.
Proposal 2: Throw the new marbels in the trash.
Ongoing fuckery: Another person is trying to send all 5,000 marbels to a single bag, causing it to rip.
Democrats are in favor of proposal one. Republicans are in favor of proposal two, while doing the ongoing fuckery.
We absolutely have the room. New immigrants make up a fraction of a percent of the U.S. pop. If they were granted legal status and spread out roughly uniformly, it wouldn’t be a problem.
You can’t just send every marble to a single spot and then act surprised that it’s causing problems. There is a solution and intentionally ignoring it and instead intentionally causing problems is being called out for what it is, fuckery, and attack, human trafficking, an abuse of power, etc.
The democrats are still for the same things they were in the civil war.
lol
To go with your analogy, I’d add that each bag is a different size. Rhode Island can’t take as many immigrants as California for instance. A tiny border town can’t take as much NYC as another example.
Right now the Texas bag is stuffed and bulging and tearing at the seams. NYC is practically empty comparatively, yet they’re still having problems with a few thousand marbles.
And it’s not like it’s the sort of thing where 1000 marbles is fine and 1001 will destroy everything, Everything simply gets worse and worse and it doesn’t end with a bang, just a whimper.
Finally, it’s a fire hose of marbles, a ridiculous amount of marbles. From 400,000 marbles in 2020 to over 2 million in 2022. That’s almost an entire percent of the population, in just one year, and it’s not like they leave, they stay forever. Year after year, just compounding the issue and always getting worse.
To go with your analogy, I’d add that each bag is a different size. Rhode Island can’t take as many immigrants as California for instance. A tiny border town can’t take as much NYC as another example.
Right now the Texas bag is stuffed and bulging and tearing at the seams
Agreed.
NYC is practically empty comparatively, yet they’re still having problems with a few thousand marbles.
I wouldn’t go that far. While they may technically have more room, the amount of fighting for that room is far higher NYC than anywhere else. And the cost for land/residences in NYC is far higher than anywhere else.
If it cost $40,000 per marble to put then in bag A, and the rest of the bags cost $23,000, it makes far more sense to place them in the rest of the bags.
The median rent in NYC is ~$3,375 vs U.S. median of ~$1,967. And that’s before accounting for the fact that due to size restrictions NYC residences cannot individually house as many people.
And it’s not like it’s the sort of thing where 1000 marbles is fine and 1001 will destroy everything, Everything simply gets worse and worse and it doesn’t end with a bang, just a whimper.
Agreed. But it’s just a metaphor.
Finally, it’s a fire hose of marbles, a ridiculous amount of marbles. From 400,000 marbles in 2020 to over 2 million in 2022. That’s almost an entire percent of the population, in just one year, and it’s not like they leave, they stay forever. Year after year, just compounding the issue and always getting worse.
The baby boomers added roughly 4.4 million a year, double that of immigrants.
And then pretty much double it again on the basis of proportion, because the U.S. was far smaller in population then.
The baby boomers had to grow up before they could provide themselves, needing roughly 15 years before they could begin to provide for themselves. Immigrants on the other hand are typically adults, or families with parents already providing for their children.
If we could handle an explosion of population of baby boomers, we can handle the comparatively much smaller, much more able bodied and self providing immigrants.
And the already manageable numbers will die down again soon provided we stop raping central and latin america. The U.S. played a huge part in causing this issue. It’s only fair that we play part in handling the fallout.
The real difference is illegals dont really pull their own weight economically. They create a underclass. Theyre being exploited. They are worse off, Americans are worse off, everyone is worse off except stockholders.
And how are we still “raping central and latin america”?
I’m not against immigration in general but for the environment we only have so much space. There is a certain point where we just can’t have more people. We don’t need more people. We need less people. That’ll solve many of our problems.
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They can’t build homes quick enough, let alone upgrade infrastructure
Isn’t that something th liberals complain about here? Not enough housing and it’s to expensive. Yet their solution is bring in more people to strain the system.
Oh it very much is what they complain about. I think they want to suffer more
It’s why I can’t take them seriously.
They want living wages then complain the price went up. They want feee healthcare then find out nothing is free. I just can’t imagine living my life so clueless of consequences.
Nobody left of center has ever nor will ever assume that Federal Healthcare is “free”. We could fund healthcare for a tenth of what we’re spending on failed DARPA projects and fighter jets that are .00001% faster than their previous generation.
In fact, the government would save money. To that effect, it would be like instituting “free” healthcare.
Healthcare for All is the fiscally responsible option.
You know, like slavery
The democrats just can’t let their past go.
You have it reversed.
Not at all. The democrats have always been racist and most likely always will be racist. I still have no clue what your point is. You keep calling that the confederate flag and it’s not. Maybe instead of low effort trolling, you should learn some history. You’d learn that’s the battle flag of lees army and guess what, they were democrats.
Then why are republicans flying a democratic flag? (I’ll government you a hint: p-rty sw-tch)
The government switch is a lie.
You’ve had many people leave the democrats because they sent their jobs overseas. The democrats found out slavery was legal in other countries and started shipping those jobs.
Nothing will stop th democrats from their abusive use of labor.
The government switch is a lie.
No it isn’t.
Nice symbol. Remind me, which party is trying to keep minorities from arming themselves?
It’s relevant. Which party is racist? Which one thinks minorities are too stupid to handle school, too lazy to get IDs, too violent to own guns?
None of that accurately describes the democratic party.
I’d say the party that intentionally disenfranchises black voters by gerrymandering their districts to have less power and intentionally makes it harder to vote in person by banning giving food and water to voters in long lines, after intentionally causing there to be fewer polling places is easily the bigger candidate for party of racism.
Though I’d agree with you that the democratic party is racist. But comparatively, the republicans are x10 more racist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/28/southern-republicans-black-democrats-tennessee/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/17/florida-republicans-black-voters-justice-department
And they don’t go spouting shit like this:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4411489-nikki-haley-us-never-been-racist-country/
I keep clicking on these conservative posts hoping to find one worth up voting because I’m tired of the extremist left politics on Lemmy… but clickbait YouTube videos?
Is this just a misinformation effort to divide people or what?
In the past week, there have been two YouTube links, one of which was an academic-style video.
Fair enough, I’ll keep looking for conservative content I feel I can up vote. Fwiw I didn’t downvote this post and did up vote your comment.
Just trying to balance out the radicalism on here, and conservative ideology does have some valid points.
Yeah, that’s reasonable. I just left my retort because something I see extremely frequently in online discussion is people feigning friendlinesswbile raising cherry picked issues. I’m not saying that you’re doing it, but I figured it merited a response to see your thoughts.
As someone who posts here (as well as the other conservative community), I’m curious what it is that you’re looking for but don’t see. There’s definitely some bottom of the barrel content, as with any community, but most of it seems pretty solid.
Yeah understandable, there are a lot of radicalized useful idiots on here. I’ve come close to giving up on Lemmy because it’s an extremist echo chamber sometimes. People who clearly don’t have much experience in life and a limited understanding of sociopolitical dynamics will advocate violence to get what they want. People downvote me here simply because I haven’t closed my mind like them.
A couple examples of conservative ideals I like are emphasis on efficient government, limiting centralized power, ensuring personal rights, and supporting families as an important social structure. Capital punishment makes sense to me in cases where guilt is clear and rehabilitation very unlikely to succeed.
I’ve come close to giving up on Lemmy because it’s an extremist echo chamber sometimes
It may be an extremist echo chamber, but due to the federated (and non corporate) nature, it’s far less heavy handed on censorship, especially since it’s even more trivially easy to evade bans. It also doesn’t matter if you get nothing but downvotes, with 0.19 removing account karma as a whole. There’s also a lot of good non-political content, as major communities from reddit like r/piracy set up shop here. The porn scene is also pretty solid.
A couple examples of conservative ideals I like are emphasis on efficient government, limiting centralized power, ensuring personal rights, and supporting families as an important social structure.
Apologies if I was unclear, I was more curious what kind of posts you’d like to see shared here, since you expressed you don’t see a lot of what you like.
For instance, my last post here was an article discussing how the Supreme Court is in a position to overturn chevron, which would massively reduce the power of the administrative state by curtailing the ability for federal agencies to effectively rewrite their own regulations through “interpretation”. I would consider this to be a massive conservative victory if it happens.
Blamemeta and wintermute make generally solid posts, with the latter falling more toward a centrist position (basically giga Hitler by lemmy standards), and onlytakesLs leans towards culture topics, but posts overall solid stuff, even if it’s not a point of agreement.
with the latter falling more toward a centrist position (basically giga Hitler by lemmy standards)
It is funny, by lemmy standards I am giga Hitler other than being a Democrat ;)
I am more socially left as I am not religious and I believe in a small government but that doesn’t fit into the uterus of a female. I think everyone should share the cost of running the country, not just a few. I think pain makes us stronger and when the plebes get their tax bill, they may question the spending.
I find most liberals lazy and ignorant. Since their parents are just upstairs, they are used to having someone tell them what to do and strive for a nanny state since they can’t control themselves. I prefer the government to stay out of most of our day-to-day lives.
As Ronnie use to say, the scariest words in the world are I am from the government and I am here to help.
I didn’t think it was clickbait, the graphs he presents are all sourced. I’m also tired of the extremist left-wing politics on Lemmy, that’s why I posted something
I am conservative but I’m not religious. They places me about in the middle of most things since I’m not trying to annoy the religious and I’m not beating the Bible. Extreme left or right is dangerous. Any ideology that ignores other viewpoints is concerning.
“I am very smart.”
What’s happening here is a derailment of any discussion about sensible border policy, and a distraction from the failure of the border wall plan that a certain republican repeatedly claimed Mexico would pay for (that Mexico never actually paid for), by means of attacking ideological opponents with specious accusations.
The pattern of manipulative behavior used by abusive people has an acronym: DARVO: deny, attack, reverse victim and offender. So it goes like this: republicans aren’t racist, democrats are the real racists. Republicans were just trying to protect America from a lot of bad hombres but dems are welcoming in illegals to exploit them for cheap labor and votes.
I see loud and accusatory distractions from the fact that the $15 billion border wall is regularly defeated by $5 ladders. I see rhetorical diversions around the fact that republicans regularly fly pro-slavery insurrectionist confederate battle flags. I see a strange fascination with the racist democrats of the 1800’s, meanwhile in 2024 senator Tuberville® claims white nationalists are not racists and Rep Crane® refers to African Americans as “colored people” during an anti-woke tirade.
And in the accusation about democrats wanting illegals for cheap labor, "like slaves"as is suggested, never will there ever be any acknowledgement of the decades long republican effort of a race-to-the-bottom erosion of workers rights and devaluation of labor in this country.
Are the democrats so great? No, they are very terrible. The other side is also bad, and is gas-lighteningly evasive and downright dishonest about the part they had to play in creating the current situation.
Wow so this is the state of Lemmy? Completely one-sided regressive left leaning politics, and open brigading of communities with differing political ideas? What happened to actual discussion? It just seems like the average Lemmy user is either 12 or is still seething at their dad while still living in mom’s basement lol
