I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. I didn’t vote.
In 2020 I voted for Trump because knew Biden would be bad. He has done better than I expected but the inflation is killing me and the focus on the wrong thing isn’t helping.
Early on I was a De Santis fan but my interest has waned as he has taken hard stances on things that need compromise.
I am familiar with the law. Nothing in the law gives the Feds to force measures on the states. That’s why Biden tried to use osha laws. Maybe we are talking past each other. Do you think the cdc has authority to force masks on the population of a state?
It’s under its own jurisdiction. It’s not a state. I’ve never seen a federal medical license and my girlfriend handled medical licenses for a state. She said she’s never seen a federal medical license. They’re all state issued. That’s how we met is she processed my medical license when I switched states. Though we didn’t date to many years later.
He did not. Biden publicly acknowledged he didn’t have those rights either. An expert In the field would know only the states have those rights.
426 is about ports of entry.
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html
measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states
States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.
States have the power within their borders. It’s exactly why Biden didn’t do anything. It’s why he tried to use osha instead which was an obvious no no.
You’d never even heard of it before I cited it.
“You wouldn’t know her, though; she goes to a different high school. Uh, in Canada.”
What “rights”? I’m talking about the rights used under the Obama administration to address the challenge of three different incipient pandemics. Trump didn’t lose those rights in the interim; he had them and just didn’t competently use them.
I didn’t reference 426.
COVID-19 didn’t originate within the borders of any US state. It originated in Wuhan, China, and was allowed to spread into the United States by Trump’s incompetence at using powers you now admit he had.
But Biden did do things. Did monkeypox become a national pandemic? Did pediatric RSV?
No, right? “New pandemic just dropped” is kind of a social media joke, but the thing is, they keep not being pandemics. You think Trump just got unlucky with COVID-19, but it wasn’t particularly infectious - R0 of around 1.5, barely replacement level, whereas the R0 of SARS-1 was double that. Trump was just particularly incompetent and fumbled the prevention of an entirely preventable pandemic. He failed a test that Biden’s already passed, twice over, in his current administration and passed three times in Obama’s. Trump is just an incompetent loser; he always has been.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/11/11/joe-biden-national-face-mask-mandate-covid/6233249002/
That doesn’t seem to be a reply to anything I’ve said.
It once again repeating states have the authority which you claim they don’t. It’s the exact claim you’ve been arguing that the president can force mask mandates on everyone and even Biden says that’s not true. It’s the authority of the states.
I’ve never made such a claim. I’ve claimed that Trump’s response to COVID-19 was typical of his manifest incompetence in most aspects of his presidency, a claim you’ve not been able to refute.
I’ve not argued any such claim at all.
Trump did as he was advised by faucci and his authority under the law. Anything you think he didn’t do was because it wasn’t his authority. Faucci made a shit shit of everything. He’s not very good. I strongly dislike the man. He’s an idiot. I haven’t checked to see who the new person is but I’m sure it’s an upgrade.
Oh, ok. So now you accept that his response was incompetent; it’s just not his fault, because the buck didn’t actually stop here in his Presidency.
Hey, I mean, you worked for the Army - is it not your experience that a refusal to take responsibility goes hand in hand with rank incompetence? I’d be surprised if you disagreed. That’s certainly my experience in the Federal government. Good, effective leaders take responsibility. Rarely - never - are effective, competent leaders also the ones who blame underlings - even if it’s actually their fault.
I have to say, this view of leadership and responsibility is perhaps the most conservative view I hold. Don’t you share it? I’d be shocked.
Sure. Past his prime and an expert in the wrong kinds of diseases. A President who wasn’t an incompetent loser wouldn’t have sidelined Nancy Messonnier, who actually was very good and an expert on respiratory infections particularly. Trump did that because he’s bad at administrating and managing people and can’t recognize talent, only flattery. Incompetent.
I just don’t see trump violating the law as a good solution. I’m not as partisan as you. I look at facts and make decisions from there.
Now I do think Trump screwed up by brining in more people who had no clue like faucci into the mix. That didn’t help. My mind is foggy but I think it as Scott atlas. Ironically he did speak the cardiologist like but otherwise I’m not sure why he was there
At some point he invited osterholm whom I am a big fan of but I don’t think he got heavily involved.
I believe in holding leaders accountable. If Trump had violated the law as you suggested, I’d expect him to be held accountable. Luckily he didn’t.
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30484-9.pdf
No Covid had a 2.5 sars 2.4
Wuhan-1 had R0 of around 1.5; certainly no more than 2. Later variants had a higher base replication rate but those variants only came about because of the uncontrolled spread of Wuhan-1.
The largest issue with Covid was most people didn’t show symptoms. It also had a long incubation time. Before we even knew it was here, it was already here.
I’ll pretend you are an expert for a minute. Since Covid was showing up in Sewage in spain months before we had the outbreak, I do have to ponder how this all really broke down.
We didn’t “know it was here” because Trump prevented all surveillance activity. Remember it spread in China for three months before the first US cases. We had plenty of time; Trump was just too incompetent. The first community transmission in the US was actually identified almost immediately after it happened.
Wuhan-1’s presymptomatic infectious period is less than four days, actually less than lots of other illnesses.
It didn’t “show up in sewage in Spain” before the Wuhan outbreak. Sewershed analysis in Spain didn’t start until years later, so that claim isn’t possible to make.
I’m telling you - the incompetence of the US public health response, due to Trump’s mismanagement of Federal public health.
That isn’t correct. We have cases from October that have been identified. If China hadn’t lied, we have had a beer chance to detect it… It was out before we could have done anything.
Here is the cite for it being in Spain in march., 2019. Nine months before the outbreaks. Surprised you hadn’t heard this before because experts have been talking about this for a long time.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idINKBN23X2HQ/
No, we don’t. There were no COVID-19 cases identified in Spain prior to March 2020.
This is a trace of a coronavirus found in a Spanish sewershed sample in 2020, but no one’s disputing that coronaviruses were not in circulation in Spain in March 2019 or at any other time. But it’s not COVID-19 or from any infected individual.
We. America.
Coronavirus circulate all the time. It’s the common cold.
The virus found was Covid.
From the article.
Spanish virologists have found traces of the novel coronavirus in a sample of Barcelona waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the COVID-19 disease was identified in China, the University of Barcelona said on Friday