In other news lemmy engagement is up 200% on the week
Don’t fact check me I pulled this out my ass
Fact checked. Your ass contents appear to be statistically correct.
I checked his ass. It indeed is empty now so he did recently pull something out.
lemmy doesn’t have this kind of data because we don’t have the zucc in our asses.
I choose to believe this. Have a good day.
that’s some serious
good-ass newsgood ass-newsRelevant XKCD - https://xkcd.com/37/
well everyone downloaded it to get their usernames
I haven’t, but thats actually surprising. Back in 2001 someone had my name for their Yahoo email (it’s an unusual but common one) and decided then that I wouldn’t let it happen again.
For the next few years, I would immediately register for everything that looked like I would use it.
Got a good Hotmail in the 90s. But later on I would register for every little thing like Hushmail. Shushmail. Then MySpace. The best, though, was when I managed to get an invite in late 2007 for a little email service provider that was called Gmail.
Suck it every other variation of RhetoricalOrator@gmail.com!
(Not my actual email.)
I got firstlastname on Gmail and I find it a curse now. There are old people all over the place with the same name that simply can’t remember their email address and end up using mine. I have had everything from non profit fun runs in North Carolina to aerial crop photos from Idaho that apparently farmers pay for? It was like a $100 a month service… . Luckily I use first.lastname so I can filter out their emails quickly since they never have the . Occasionally when it’s an email from a small company or something like that i send responses but most of it I just junk now.
i have what i imagine is a fairly unusual variation: my firstname.lastname is pretty common in the english speaking world, but my last name is apparently derived from a place if you go back far enough, so i use firstname.of.lastname. subtle but different.
This is me too, including every janky MMO I think I might remotely like. Gotta grab my character name. But Threads, haven’t bothered to touch it.
I see exactly where you’re coming from but personally when making usernames I can never re-use one because I always feel like the next one I make is going to be “the one” and trump all of my pathetic previous attempts lol.
That urge to be better, to continue growing has entire life. Never satisfied. New vehicle? First thought is “how can I tweak it to make it better?” Then I begin tweaking with things and am happy. The second that I can’t find more things to tweak and feel that it’s as close to perfect as can be within my capabilities it becomes stale and I lose interest.
This is a cancer for my passion in writing lyrics as in my opinion art can NEVER be good enough. The more time you put into it, the better it gets and if a change I’ve made makes something worse I start from square one and begin again. I’ve been writing music for nearly my entire life but only ever actually recorded music in the beginning when it was just a hobby. Then I realized that it was something I could actually be good at and became serious. Haven’t recorded a single track since. I just write and write and write. Even when I make something beautiful, to me, that I made that? Just means I’m capable of making something better on the next page so the beauty is forgotten as soon as it was realized.
Sorry for the rant and personal details! Sometimes I use my comments as a means of introspection. Would just paste them into my notes app but I don’t. I leave them in the hopes that maybe someday someone can maybe help me figure myself out or at the very least not feel so alone if they are similar.
Have a nice day/night.
That is a beautiful sentiment about usernames, BallsInTheShredder
… another terrific username, notelonmusk, although I am slightly concerned that you might be lying.
See someone called me KlossN in high school because it was similar to my last name, and now noone calls me that but it’s been my username everywhere since. Not making a fucking threads account tho, if y’all want my name you can have it
That’s why I believe that the username crisis is real. Future generations won’t have short usernames and will have to use increasingly longer usernames to have a unique one, or have a Redditesque default [word1][word2][4numbers].
We might as well just go all out and just have everyone use a UUID with minimal chances of username collision.
If you really need to have the same name in many services, it’s going to be really hard or even impossible. Having a nice and short name in one service is possible, because the name of the service adds some extra length to the whole thing. Just think of Lemmy names for example [shortName]@[InstanceName].[something]. The whole thing is actually pretty long, so making that unique is very easy.
Old comment by this time, but their usernames are tied to their Instagram account, correct? So there wasn’t much, “securing their name” From that angle.
I couldn’t personally say as it’s not available in Europe.
deleted by creator
Just: Honestly, we figure Twitter will keep staggering along until its servers implode.
Relevent: https://youtu.be/VbX1r-Vre9o
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/VbX1r-Vre9o
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Good bot
Are the Threads user numbers being quoted still inflated because everyone with an Instagram account received a shadow Threads account?
I’m pretty sure the platform that kills Twitter will be Twitter. It’s not going to be a question of a superior platform luring people away, Twitter is just going to become unusable because of the management. When that happens, replacements will compete with one another. I don’t personally have an opinion on which is going to win the competition, but I think you make good points about important users vs features.
OH IT WILL BE DETHRONED ALRIGHT, just NOT from mastodon
deleted by creator
“Oh you’re a villain alright, just not a SUPER one!”
They launched it without addressing the obvious issues like spam and low-quality content. The easy migration from Instagram basically turned threads into… Instragram. Literally the same low quality posts and low quality engagement of Instagram transfered over. Seriously, have you ever read comments on Instagram? It’s the bottom of the barrel in the every sense of the expression. That’s Threads now.
Also, poetically threads on Threads are even harder to follow and navigate than Twitter.
Isnt instagram primarily used for… pictures and images? I seen comments the times i have used it - the comments are generally very low quality and low brow.
I think both of your points are correct but a lot of celebrity types write straight up essays attached to some of their pictures - it’s like where they get out everything they can’t fit into 280 characters.
Typical fear of missing out behavior. Folks flock to Threads to see what it’s all about, see that it actually sucks, and bail.
Yeah FOMO is a helluva drug. I’d be willing to bet that while there are plenty of users on the newplaform, people actually posting is not there yet, and with the lack of content for users to doom scroll they’re hopping back to whatever app they came from. Most people don’t give two shits about actually engaging with a given userbase, they just want to doom scroll content and zone out.
Why did they start calling it “Doom scrolling?”
It’s generally when you’re stuck in a loop of reading negative posts/articles. I think the phenomenon comes from how when you read a negative article/piece of news you feel down, so you want to scroll further in the hopes of seeing something positive to lift your spirits. But then of course it’s only more negativity, and so you keep going. And the algorithms of Twitter/Facebook knows this, so they don’t tend to help you find something positive.
Nothing positive is needed. It’s an outrage engine that keeps you involved by edging on the max level of disturbance you are comfortable to consume. Seeing, posting reactions, having likes enables you to keep it going.
Meta could learn a lesson or two in edging 😉
That’s fair, I don’t partake in that side of the web myself but when I get stuck in it it’s usually because I read something depressing and am scrolling desperately hoping for good news.
I think alot of it relates to just scrolling through news and wanting more content/headlines. It’s not that users are necessarily seeking out bad news or “doom”, it’s just that, given the state of the world today <motions broadly>, that’s what a lot of the news ends up being. I think I often engage in “doomscrolling”, but I’m not doing it because I want to see bad news, I’m an information addict and I’m just trying to get as much content as I can. Reddit fed that habit well, but I’ve moved on from there. And it’s not necessarily a bad thing if Lemmy can’t feed that addiction, not seeing new content pushes me off and forces me back into the real world or on to other sites/apps. I’m fine with that, I hated my constant need to flip through Reddit whenever I was bored before.
I prefer Doom Metal.
It’s been a thing for a while, basically just mindlessly scrolling for hours on end on a neverending feed
I wouldn’t say its FOMO, I think most people just had higher hopes for it as a direct Twitter replacement instead of the cesspool of reposters, uninteresting celebs, and wylin’ out social media managers that it serves up in its feed. I don’t mind Meta, I don’t mind that they want to eventually federate, I just wish the feed wasn’t pure trash.
What you described isn’t FOMO, that’s just curiosity. Just checking out a new popular app and then just not using it due to a lack of engagement.
Mobile only is a no-go for me. Sorry Zuck.
A mobile only platform is pretty much destined to be the lowest quality social media site around.
Just having a keyboard and mouse makes thoughtful expression so much easier.
- Sent from my iPhone
I think it is a three-dimensional bell curve. At one end are the Thumb Warriors on their Phone pumping out vitriol and stupid ideas. At another end are Keyboard Warriors in their basement pumping out vitriol and stupid ideas. And at the third point are the Corporate “Social Media Consultants” pumping out Advertising and Manipulative media.
YouTube comments would like a chance at bat.
It would be for me, too, if Zuckerberg weren’t a no-go all by himself.
Probably because it’s a complete mess. I joined as I was curious and don’t really care if I have to delete my Instagram account to get rid of my Threads account. You follow people and then barely see their updates.
From what I’ve heard about the feel it’s a giant data (=cash) grab. Sorta like how Google+ was a me-too and never took off.
The massive inrush is like what happens when the new restaurant opens in town. Everyone goes once or twice to check it out but if it sucks it will still fail even if it is super busy the first week.
I wonder why.
Anyone signing up for a new Meta account isn’t going to be suddenly surprised at how invasive it is. The people who signed up for Threads obviously don’t give a shit about privacy, as much as I’d like to think otherwise.
I’ve had this conversation many times, and they always say something like “I have nothing to hide, so I don’t care”, to which I respond with “I have to hide, either, but nothing I want to share. Since you have nothing to hide and you don’t care, what’s your bank account number, tax ID number, credentials, etc. etc. I won’t use it for anything bad, promise.”
They still don’t get it…
I’ve had some success by asking them to unlock their phone and give it to me so I can read their messages and look at their photos. As they refuse, I tell them “but you just said you’ve got nothing to hide and you don’t care?”
I did that once to a friend of mine, but because he knows me and known I’m trustworthy, he did it hahaha I had to resort to verbalizing the invasive actions I would take when I got the phone so that my point would sink in
And you could add that you probably wouldn’t learn as much about them by looking at their phone for a few minutes than Threads transmits to Meta every second of every day.
Especially since there’s over 2 BILLION Instagram users. Why would anyone who uses Instagram have any concerns with Threads?
This is absolutely not a concern for 99% of people. As much as we (rightfully) scream about it on Lemmy and Mastodon, most people don’t care.
Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, and others are already collecting this information already, it’s so strange to see people acting like this is a new phenomenon.
We’ve been training AI models since picture based captchas.
Hell, we were training Google’s voice recognition back in '07 with GOOG-411
Side question: what client is that? It looks amazing
I think it’s “Connect for Lemmy”
Good
They gave up all their personal data to see a crappy algo-driven social media site. Meta still considers this a win.
What new personal information did meta get from Instagram users enabling threads?
The real answer is nothing, assuming they already had an Instagram account. People are all up in arms, but the majority of ‘signups’ were just people clicking the activation button as opposed to creating a new account.
That said, I currently will praise anything that takes more users away from Twitter. Lesser of two evils and all that.
Not that I disagree much, but… what a world we live in where Meta is the lesser of two evils…
Well, that’s enough internet for today, day drinking anyone?
🍻
Day dosing more like it.
I’d argue Meta takes the cake just with Cambridge Analytica in terms of damage. Let alone all the other shit. But yeah, choose between ebola and the black plague…
Plus, Elon is more likely to run Twitter into the ground than Zuck is Meta, so that alone makes Meta the bigger threat.
I agree, it’s amazing. Musk has been such a dumbfuck that he has managed to make Mark Zuckerberg look good by comparison.
Zuck is not a lesser evil. He’s the same evil. And Jeffrey bezos this week is having a laugh because nobody’s paying attention to him at the moment.
As LTT said. Threads is the result of the Zuck flicking his tongue out and tasting blood.
But I mean we (society, not me, miss me with that) are still clearly subscribing to a social media site run by the lizard people and calling it an improvement.
Which says a lot.
You have to have blood to be a lizard. That man is as organic as my Playstation
And, unless your Playstation is broken, less fun.
…wait, scratch, that, even if your Playstation is broken, he’s less fun.
I’m going to assume not all new users were Instagram users.
Health history and fitness status
Instagram doesn’t already collect that?
I think not
A flood of brands I can’t opt out of–I gotta mute/block each of them individually–no bookmarks or drafts for Threads I might like to come back to, no fuckin’ gifs, mobile only, de-prioritization of news…
Tbh it’s just kinda lame.
I’m one of the many who deactivated not too long after it launched. My dashboard was just being filled with so many users (mostly celebrities and influencers) who I don’t recall ever following or even being on my sphere of interest. It doesn’t help that their posts are inorganic attempts to spur engagement.
I mean, to be honest, I feel like it’s the quality of the content in there. I used my old phone (the one I use for apps like threads) to get a threads account and people are using Threads as if they’re using instagram.
For example, you see a pocture of someone or a drawing, you get into the post to see the 45 comments people left and all of them are:
Comment #1: “Magnificent 🥰😍” #2: “Amazing 🤩” #3: “WOW!! 🔥🔥”
And so on.
At least in twitter there is more “discussion” (albeit toxic and usually useless) or at least more people sometimes talking about interesting things.
That’s pretty much exactly what I expected. Instagram is exactly like this. Filled to the brim with fake engagement, bots, and an occasional real person account, who also happens to be doing things that horribly affect people’s mental health
I guess it turns out that when you pretty much automatically port over so the Instagram users they treat it like Instagram.
toxic and useless dont really summarize it imo- last few times I went there the top 10-15 comments were just screaming right wingers yelling about a conspiracy of some sort no matter what the topic is
Looking in the replies of any new scientific discovery is infuriating, they’re all spouting inane shit about how “science changed its story, so it has no credibility, this is proof that the earth is flat and 6000 years old.”
the only reason it has any users is that it gave some fakeout on insta UI that your friends were talking about you on threads and, as per Meta usual, it was all bullshit. typical zuccing egotism for his upcoming cagematch.
I played around with it and it’s basically useless without a follower only feed. And the posts tend to just basically disappear forever after a feed refresh.
But if they follow through on ActivityPub integration I’ll be stoked to follow all the normies that couldn’t get by on mastodon that are using threads. More content = more better.
I won’t be happy if they integrate federation. Ever heard the phrase “embrace, extend, extinguish”? It’s a tactic used by large companies to squash growing competition.
Google used it, for example, to squash a growing open-source chat messenger protocol called XMPP. (Think of XMPP like ActivityPub.) Google allowed its Google Talk application to integrate with people using XMPP. (They embraced XMPP.)
Then, they added their own proprietary features that wouldn’t work with normal XMPP users. (They extended, or built on top of, XMPP.)
Then, they cut support for XMPP integration, leaving it effectively dead in the water. XMPP users suddenly had a list of Google Talk users in their friend list who would never appear online again, whereas Google Talk users maybe had one or two people in their friend list who looked like they’d moved on from Google Talk. (They extinguished XMPP.)
Now imagine that happening with Threads. You, a Mastodon user, follow a bunch of people who just happen to be on Threads. There are some things Threads users can do that you can’t, but you don’t really mind. It works well enough. Then, one day, Threads stops working with Mastodon. Suddenly, over half of the people you followed are no longer available to you. The only way you can follow them again… is to join Threads.
deleted by creator
The thing with Wine is that, from what I understand, it was made to help Windows software run on Linux. From the beginning, its primary intention was to help Linux users. Facebook’s primary intention is to get more money. If they believe extinguishing Mastodon will further that goal, they’ll do it. Unfortunately, I don’t believe Mastodon is big enough to make Thread users think they’ll be missing any significant amount of content if Facebook removed ActivityPub support.
“ever heard of embrace extend extinguish???”
Lololol yes. And the ploum article people parrot about xmpp too.
There is a lot of groupthink in the fediverse and not enough critical thinking.
Threads integrating will highlight the serious value in activitypub. I personally don’t know why they would integrate unless they want to just completely dismember Twitter and blue sky or get in front of govt regulations.
The danger here is that Threads will suddenly be > 99% of the activity and user base in one fell swoop. You might find that Mastodon doesn’t scale as well as you think. It might also be that Threads deliberately or half assedly doesn’t federate properly, so that being a non-Threads user means posts aren’t visible inside of Threads or suffer from down ranking or other issues.
I’d add that historically federation hasn’t gone well when a big fish enters a small pond. XMPP was cited above as an example of that. At the time you had proprietary services like AOL / AIM, ICQ, Instant Messenger. XMPP was going to liberate us from proprietary and even Google got on board for a bit before dumping it.
The problem with big companies is they want all the cake to themselves and abhor having to yield control or cooperate with others. Meta might make nice noises about ActivityPub while they’re the underdog to Twitter but you could see them rapidly change their tune if Twitter went under.
I’m surprised I don’t hear as much of “I wan’t literally nothing to do with Meta in any way shape or form” sentiment (which happens to be my feelings on the matter).
Federation is the most interesting thing thats happened on the internet since http became the standard in my opinion, and I’ve been kicking around since Telnet, BBCs, IRC, Etc.
Meta doesn’t want to play nice, they want to see if they can own everything, in my opinion. “Oh, people are doing this cool thing that we can’t yet monitize and make our shareholders richer? See if we can somehow assimilate it, at a loss at first, as ususal of course.”
I’m not sure about embrace, extend, extinguish, but it does sound like it’d be the way here. Either way, why the living fuck can we not have anything interconnected that a megacorp can’t decide they’ll take over? Why can’t we keep that from happening, even when small independent individuals are running the server?
The entire point of ActivityPub is that it’s open and EEE-proof. If the users leave it for something proprietary but better, then it isn’t EEE, it’s just a better product.
Simply being open source is not an achievement in itself. The platform has to be user friendly, stable and future-proof. Most FOSS and federated alternatives create a platform and then endlessly harp on federation like that’s the end. No, that’s the beginning. The point is to make a product better than Big Tech WHILE maintaining federation and Foss status. THAT is what makes a platform EEE proof.
If the users leave it for something proprietary but better, then it isn’t EEE, it’s just a better product.
That’s literally the second E, extend.
Nothing is EEE-proof. If Meta puts even just 10 billion dollars into developing and marketing their fediverse EEE project, it’s going to be better for the average user (I.e: billions of people already using Meta’s services) than what a couple of FOSS devs made for free in their spare time.
That’s not what extend means in this context. In this context, extend means to add non-standard features to the protocol which only your implementation understands.
If they embrace ActivityPub and then start adding their own proprietary features that are enough for users to switch over, and Mastodon doesn’t, then it’s not an “evil agenda”, it’s Meta adding an essential feature that the users want and Mastodon isn’t able to add and ultimately Meta making a better product.
If Mastodon or Lemmy are truly superior and the future, then the product should be the best in the market, not DUE to federation but DESPITE it.
That’s one thing that everyone here forgets because right now federation is hard to get into, and the only people here are those who put the effort in because they believe in federation. That is the reason for their tolerance in an inferior product. But if that’s the case, then it will never be mainstream as long as the product is inferior.
ActivityPub is open source. This means, by definition, Meta are allowed to use it. They could easily do the extinguish part by just never using the protocol. If another platform existing is such a threat to the Fediverse then we’re doomed to failure in the first place.
While Google removing XMPP no doubt helped sink nails into the coffin, WhatsApp played a bigger role in the death of XMPP than Google removing it from Talk. It was increasingly irrelevant for a now growing number of people.
The point of “embrace, extend, extinguish” is primarily to get rid of any potential future competition. So, for example, it would not work if Facebook tried to do it with Twitter since the latter already reached critical mass and can stand on its own without outside help, barring bad leadership. It typically only works if the party that’s being “embraced” is smaller than the company that’s “embracing”.
To your point of ActivityPub being open source: that’s true, so Meta is, legally speaking, free to use it. However, barring any restrictions in the license, they’re also free to add any proprietary features to Threads that don’t work on Mastodon. It’s similar to Google Chrome: Google has their open-source Chromium web browser, but they also have a version called Chrome that has features that are not open-source.
deleted by creator
Threads never released in the EU in the first place, so this absolutely is not the reason for lowered engagement.
In an indirect way it could be though - not having the entirety of the EU on Threads is a huge non-starter for many people, as many of their favourite influencers, celebrities, companies, etc will be from the EU who were never able to get on it.
deleted by creator
It’s pretty hard to start working in the EU if you look at the absolute pile of data that Threads demanded. The GDPR paperwork to make sure they can get away with that AND still comply to GDPR would be more than the whole internet.
What I’m hearing from your statement, is that we need a GDPR-like ruleset in every country.
Yes, we absolutely do.
