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Seems they do complain about increased pressure from the government and cartels on them, accuse USA of being the cause of that, and the need to reorganise themselves to resist it.

So, even at the best possible interpretation it still means they are going in the opposite direction to anarchism, so the comment is correct. And they ARE dissolving their current organs so the headline is not incorrect too.

It sounds a bit more than just restructuring though, these bits in particular talk about dissolution

it was decided to dissolve the Zapatista Rebel Autonomous Municipalities (MAREZ) and the Good Government Boards. The Caracoles remain, but they will remain closed to the outside

after a long and profound critical and self-critical analysis,… it was decided to dissolve the … Autonomous Municipalities and the Good Government Boards. We will discuss the reasons and process by which this decision was made little by little

I'm not trying to be glib about this, and obviously it would be a net positive if Zapatistas managed to succeed. However, what happened highlights the problem with the approach of building autonomous communities with the larger context of a capitalist state. And this is precisely the approach I see Anarchists advocate for.

Long term success is only possible when the end goal is for the workers to build their own state and to be able to defend it from both internal and external threats. The same problems that Zapatistas encountered will also be encountered by other movements based on similar principles.

If im reading the context as to why they have disvolved as well it seems like they are worried about the cartel mostly; it must be hard having an autonomous zone when you have state sanctioned death cults armed with the latest in american military equipment riding around doing what they want; they specifically said that they advise people not travel to attend there latest conference as the territory is too destabilized, but they havent actually said what the next form of organizing will look like.

Its likely best to wait till post-meeting when they have laid out what the future looks like for them before making any definitive statements on there collapse.

Yeah. Considering how many Marxist parties have failed to even get off the ground, there's no high horse to even sit on here.

Obviously it would be better if they could succeed, but it's also important to recognize that what we're seeing was entirely predictable. It's important to look at both the positive and the negative aspects of the approach critically in order to learn to avoid the same pitfalls in the future.

And while it's true that there is no direct lineage between Zapatistas and western Anarchists, it's clear that a lot of the ideas and methods are compatible. Hence, the problems that Zapatistas ran into will also be encountered by other movements founded on similar principles.

My main point was that long term liberation cannot be achieved by carving out autonomous regions within a capitalist state. The workers must take charge of the state itself. So far, ML approach has been the only reliable way to achieve that.

Yogthos is just pointing out how a Workers state must be constructed for the most likely chance of survival. He wasn't gloating.

And who's to say Zapatismo can't Evolve like other branches of socialist ideology?

There should no one be celebrating or going "I told you so", we need more unity and we can learn from one another

At the very least I hope they take notes from the ML approach, or arrive to a similar one all on their own. I don't think there's anything wrong with Zapatismo evolving in its own unique way, but if they're going to survive as a movement then they have to adopt methods that.

Anarchism always evolves into MLism or decays into Fascism, so I'm glad (and not at all surprised) that they're transitioning into the former.

Although yeah, it always sucks to see any indigenous project crumble, anarcho-communist or no.

Wtf you talking about?

get stoned next time instead bro

Im drunk

Of course.