I have started to question the validity and authenticity of Trabics recipes;
See Travic’s Post titled: “The best way to get me to make you another loaf is to send me a picture of what you did with this one”; and, “Wanna guess which one stuck to the banneton?”
The book that Trabic says his dough is copied from; Ken Forkish’s “Evolutions in Bread”; is a sourdough book. There are no yeasted breads in that book. I have just downloaded it to check.
I am 69 years old. I have baked bread my entire life, worked in many artisan bakeries and have never seen a bread recipe that refers to salt as NaCl.
I have read a mulitude of baking books and followed pretty much every recipe: and not one book refers to salt as NaCl.
The Bread Baker’s Apprentice. Mastering the Art of Extraordinary Bread Peter Reinhart 2016
The Perfect Loaf_ the Craft and Science of sourdough - Maurizio Leo 2022
Richard Bertinet - Crust_ From sourdough, spelt and rye bread to ciabatta, bagels and brioche (2019)
Carol Field - The Italian Baker-Ten Speed Press (2011)
Tartine bread (2010, Chronicle Books)
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I have made both of Trabic’s recipes that have been uploaded here.
They both call for an extremely long “bulk fermentation” time of 4.5 hours which does not work.
30 minutes autolyse, 3 hours bulk with 2 stretch and folds, then another 1 hour for the final proof,
The Bulk fermentation, that everyone uses for sourdough, is not used with yeasted doughs.
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I initially thought it was a genuine mistake, so I let it go and adjusted the recipes accordingly, but the second post has exactly the same 4.5 hours bulk fermentation times.
After 4.5 hours of bulk fermentation the yeast has become completely exhausted, the dough collapses and there is no oven spring at all, which happened when I initially tried the recipe, even though I reduced the bulk time to 2.5 hours, which is still far too long.
see my posts: Trabics, Date, apricot and walnut bread, and, Wholemeal Date and Apricot sticky Bun Loaf.
The recipe works great at 68% hydration, with a first rise of 1 hour then a final proof of 30-45 minutes. This is pretty much the basic timings of all yeasted breads, buns, and pizza doughs.
In fact, this is the timing of every yeasted bread that I have ever made, at home, and in various bakeries in which I have worked. Never have I had to bulk ferment a yeasted bread for 4.5 hours.
Sourdough yes, but not yeasted breads.
Bulk fermentation is only used for sourdough, when a long rise in necessary because of the slow development of natural yeast.
If you’re calling people “pro-vaccine apologists” and falling for AI slop, maybe you should stay away from social media and question your ability to evaluate information.
Stick to books and trust your GP, pharmacist, etc.
Your one of them too I see.
Another person who cannot read, digest or grasp the meaning of an entire paragraph.
Life must be tough when you can only read and comprehend one sentence at a time.
By reading and being critical of single sentences, you are missing the wonders of what I have written.
There seems to be lack of mental agility, and capacity to understand the concept of whole paragraphs.
You will be shocked to learn that there are things called books. Books also have many many paragraphs in them and lots and lots of single sentences, all joined together to make a chapter. You probably havent heard of chapters yet. The chapters are then joined together to make a book…
Have a look online and search for book! Childrens fairy tales with pop-up pictures are a great place to start.
You have clearly spent your school years in the special needs remedial classes for dimwits, and were bullied at school because of your inept, and ineffective social skills, this ultimately led to a life of never having any real friends.
My bad.
I will take your illiteracy and isolation into account next time, and type just a single word, so that you might learn how to understand English.
In the meantime get yourself a good thesaurus and dictionary so you can look up the word I type.
here is my first word:
Muppet!
Anti vaxxers won’t ever get any love on this platform. That’s the fact here.
hey I’m actually of the opinion that the anti-vaccine position is pseudoscience… I accidentally misread you earlier as saying you were ganged up on by anti-vaxx apologists, inferring that you supported vaccination.
I don’t hate you, I’m not here to gang up on you, but I feel it’s necessary for me to correct that misunderstanding. Sal will have exactly no sympathy with your position.