Because cinema is supposed to be immersive, it’s supposed to take the audience into the action, it’s supposed to make you feel like you’re there. Dynamics play an important part of this.
It’s not enough to acknowledge that there has been an explosion or a monster has screeched, it’s important that the viewer feels in danger, like the monster can actually harm the viewer. To get that adrenaline pumping.
Ofc when your levels are ridiculously exaggerated and you stretch over to the volume control all the time, then the immersion is broken because instead of watching the film you’re too busy riding the fader.
That should be optional. I don’t wish to be “immersed”. I just wanna see the story. Sure, make the “extreme” experience a possibility for those with a taste for the subtle things in the art or whatever, but don’t push it onto all of us.
Because ANYTIME there are sounds that are way louder than dialogues, of course I’m gonna reach for the remote, because holy shit.
Plus, that idea of dynamic range is what allows ads to be so damn loud compared to everything else.
Ideally they could make two mixes, one for serious viewing and good systems and another for bringe watching or bad speakers. But since that would cost more money and isn’t done, a good dynamic mix is preferable because you can always throw a compressor and some limiting to a dynamic mix, but you can’t recover information after it’s lost. And as a film and series enjoyer I don’t want my experience to be nerfed.
As for ads, I have no idea? I haven’t watched an ad since I got internet many years ago. Idk how you’re getting your media, maybe get an adblocker or use torrents?
Tbh if you only have the budget for one mix, it should be the mainstream one for 90% of viewers. If the producers wanna be artsy, go ahead, include an artsy mix with the BluRay or something.
Imagine if they did something as extreme as they do to movies with music. You basically only hear the bass and the lyrics are incomprehensible unless you have an expensive sound system? Sheesh.
By the way, normal people like me don’t even know what a compressor is. To me, even the hassle of having a speaker outside of my TV isn’t worth it. Most people are like this.
Lol no, if you only have budget for one mix it should be the one that preserves the most information, if “90%” of the viewers don’t care about the art form they are watching then they don’t have the right to ruin it for the people who do care.
As for music there’s the opposite problem, there’s a problem in the music industry where most modern music is an incomprehensible mess thanks to the loudness wars, where modern music has zero dynamics, high distortion, lack of tangibility and overall boring.
If you listen to a 70s or early 80s recording you will notice that together with greater dynamics, you have better sound quality, definition and tangibility, than modern trash. Independently of what system you listen it on.
But a good mix will translate well no matter what system you have, it will sound good either on a 10000 dollars HiFi system or on some cheap pair of computer speakers.
Seriously tho, personally I don’t understand people who can tolerate watching anything with on a TVs built in speaker, I rather watch 480p with good sound than 4k on a TV speaker, but that’s me.
If I can’t afford a reasonable pair of speakers then a 20 bucks pair of wired headphones can have excellent sound quality. So there’s really no reason to defend a nerfed mix.
With this, I’m not saying that some modern shows don’t exaggerate and that their levels are past ridiculous.
I honestly haven’t watched a lot of non-dubbed content in a while, considering my mom moved in with me and she doesn’t tolerate other languages.
But my ears aren’t very sharp, so I can’t tell what’s a good mix. I’ll be honest with you, I may own a decent pair wired earbuds, unless it’s classical music, I can’t hear much difference between music qualities.
Bad color or motion handling on a TV, though, that’s an instant cringe for me.
Because cinema is supposed to be immersive, it’s supposed to take the audience into the action, it’s supposed to make you feel like you’re there. Dynamics play an important part of this.
It’s not enough to acknowledge that there has been an explosion or a monster has screeched, it’s important that the viewer feels in danger, like the monster can actually harm the viewer. To get that adrenaline pumping.
Ofc when your levels are ridiculously exaggerated and you stretch over to the volume control all the time, then the immersion is broken because instead of watching the film you’re too busy riding the fader.
That should be optional. I don’t wish to be “immersed”. I just wanna see the story. Sure, make the “extreme” experience a possibility for those with a taste for the subtle things in the art or whatever, but don’t push it onto all of us.
Because ANYTIME there are sounds that are way louder than dialogues, of course I’m gonna reach for the remote, because holy shit.
Plus, that idea of dynamic range is what allows ads to be so damn loud compared to everything else.
Well, it’s now cinema is supposed to be.
Ideally they could make two mixes, one for serious viewing and good systems and another for bringe watching or bad speakers. But since that would cost more money and isn’t done, a good dynamic mix is preferable because you can always throw a compressor and some limiting to a dynamic mix, but you can’t recover information after it’s lost. And as a film and series enjoyer I don’t want my experience to be nerfed.
As for ads, I have no idea? I haven’t watched an ad since I got internet many years ago. Idk how you’re getting your media, maybe get an adblocker or use torrents?
Tbh if you only have the budget for one mix, it should be the mainstream one for 90% of viewers. If the producers wanna be artsy, go ahead, include an artsy mix with the BluRay or something.
Imagine if they did something as extreme as they do to movies with music. You basically only hear the bass and the lyrics are incomprehensible unless you have an expensive sound system? Sheesh.
By the way, normal people like me don’t even know what a compressor is. To me, even the hassle of having a speaker outside of my TV isn’t worth it. Most people are like this.
Lol no, if you only have budget for one mix it should be the one that preserves the most information, if “90%” of the viewers don’t care about the art form they are watching then they don’t have the right to ruin it for the people who do care.
As for music there’s the opposite problem, there’s a problem in the music industry where most modern music is an incomprehensible mess thanks to the loudness wars, where modern music has zero dynamics, high distortion, lack of tangibility and overall boring.
If you listen to a 70s or early 80s recording you will notice that together with greater dynamics, you have better sound quality, definition and tangibility, than modern trash. Independently of what system you listen it on.
But a good mix will translate well no matter what system you have, it will sound good either on a 10000 dollars HiFi system or on some cheap pair of computer speakers.
Seriously tho, personally I don’t understand people who can tolerate watching anything with on a TVs built in speaker, I rather watch 480p with good sound than 4k on a TV speaker, but that’s me.
If I can’t afford a reasonable pair of speakers then a 20 bucks pair of wired headphones can have excellent sound quality. So there’s really no reason to defend a nerfed mix.
With this, I’m not saying that some modern shows don’t exaggerate and that their levels are past ridiculous.
I honestly haven’t watched a lot of non-dubbed content in a while, considering my mom moved in with me and she doesn’t tolerate other languages.
But my ears aren’t very sharp, so I can’t tell what’s a good mix. I’ll be honest with you, I may own a decent pair wired earbuds, unless it’s classical music, I can’t hear much difference between music qualities.
Bad color or motion handling on a TV, though, that’s an instant cringe for me.